Colgan..........really?
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I disagree...it was a solid reporting for an attack but MOST definitely wasn't objective.
NO mention of regional safety over the years. (i.e. how man crashes per carrier) (not 1 single mention of safety over the years, except for the mention of the last 6 crashes were regionals over the past 8 years.)(slight bias for their argument)
NO mention of training practices for any regional (only a small bit on the Cpt. Renslow)
NO mention about other regionals practices (besides Colgan)
NO current pilot interviews (even if identity was hidden)
NO mention of how a lot of pilots that aren't at regionals anymore got their start there and are on mainline now or something differen't
It proves that Cohen and Continental's CEO is an idiot and at least made me think they aren't pilots (not sure if they are or not).
ULTIMATELY it didn't tell me anything that I didn't know before,
There were good things though:
IT did bring to light how the relationship between mainline and the regionals.
IT did bring to light duty/rest days as pilots and how much they actually work in a given day.
IT did bring to light the low pay.
IT did bring to light that its ultimately the FAA that is big brother but does a crappy job at it (at times)
P.S. where are the former colgan pilots now, anyone know? out of the three that interviewed, mainly the 2 they talked to the most.
This has changed my view of the regionals (very little) but I thought it was a sub-par report
NO mention of regional safety over the years. (i.e. how man crashes per carrier) (not 1 single mention of safety over the years, except for the mention of the last 6 crashes were regionals over the past 8 years.)(slight bias for their argument)
NO mention of training practices for any regional (only a small bit on the Cpt. Renslow)
NO mention about other regionals practices (besides Colgan)
NO current pilot interviews (even if identity was hidden)
NO mention of how a lot of pilots that aren't at regionals anymore got their start there and are on mainline now or something differen't
It proves that Cohen and Continental's CEO is an idiot and at least made me think they aren't pilots (not sure if they are or not).
ULTIMATELY it didn't tell me anything that I didn't know before,
There were good things though:
IT did bring to light how the relationship between mainline and the regionals.
IT did bring to light duty/rest days as pilots and how much they actually work in a given day.
IT did bring to light the low pay.
IT did bring to light that its ultimately the FAA that is big brother but does a crappy job at it (at times)
P.S. where are the former colgan pilots now, anyone know? out of the three that interviewed, mainly the 2 they talked to the most.
This has changed my view of the regionals (very little) but I thought it was a sub-par report
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From: http://rahcontractnow.org/
"I just wish they would have given regional pilots more credit"
When reporters come on here looking for opinions, the vast majority of users blast the media and call them all kinds of nasty names. It's not pretty. I would suggest that, in the future, folks consider what they say at APC could end up in the news. The site has been quoted before several times in the media. Perhaps reporters should be judged on past history and not all painted with the same brush. I can't think of a better way to get the word out about the state of the regional industry airline pilot than a PBS show like this, unless it was a show like this on prime time....
When reporters come on here looking for opinions, the vast majority of users blast the media and call them all kinds of nasty names. It's not pretty. I would suggest that, in the future, folks consider what they say at APC could end up in the news. The site has been quoted before several times in the media. Perhaps reporters should be judged on past history and not all painted with the same brush. I can't think of a better way to get the word out about the state of the regional industry airline pilot than a PBS show like this, unless it was a show like this on prime time....
You and I have had our difference of opinion a majority of the time, but you are a 100% right about this one.
People on this forum tend to blast, misjudge, and react by typing without thinking. Maybe it’s a personal issue, maybe it’s an attempt to boost there self confidence, maybe it’s the fact that they don’t get the attention they want or need elsewhere; whatever it is, they seem to find pleasure in picking on the easiest target.
If only people thought about the positive outcome about speaking to a reporter on this particular issue, I’m sure we would get our point across quite well. Things don’t get done when you keep quiet: if you haven’t figured that out yet you should stay away from a safety related career.
And for those who say ‘we haven’t seen you contact the press..’ believe me, I have. Here are a few recent examples:
-Colgan crew memo regarding calling in fatigue.
-A good portion of TSA’s fleet pulled out of service due to a lack of maintenance.
Look at my previous recent posts, trying to educate a misinformed APC poster on what a reporter was trying to do. I am not sure if his rebuttal and reasoning was serious or sarcastic.
I am glad you brought this up IC_ALL. Maybe some people will begin to use there heads now.
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ill agree with that statement...frontLine is usually pretty good about their investigative reporting...it seemed they already had an answer to a question they intended to ask by investigation
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Agreed it's not just Colgan I would point out as a Q400 driver that either makes you Colgan, Horizon or Lynx? If you're Colgan and that's your only airline experience it may be hard to truly comment on other airlines. I HAVE experienced pilot pushing at my airline but it was pushing me to fly to the limit of the contract not the FAA limit.
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I remember watching that hearing live online when the senators talked to the different airline managements. I was disgusted then and I am even more disgusted now knowing that they still haven't returned any info to the senators about accepting liability in the form of becoming active participants in the regional subsidiaries and contract partners.
During that hearing these CEOs and Chief Pilots were lying right to the senators faces. One senator in particular said that usually these hearings should not be on a personal level. However, his brother was lost in a not so distant aircraft accident and to him it was personal. He had a ton of knowledge of our industry and when he would back the management of the airlines into a corner, they would lie to him. Why don't the actual line pilots get invited into these hearings. Just like they did in this video tonight, we should be able to come forward and state the facts (Not Roger Cohen's facts of AVERAGE pay for regional CAs and FOs. Props for cutting him off there and telling him that we weren't talking about the average, but the ever so real junior guys at the bottom.
I've had friends calling me all night after watching this video. While I have been telling them for years that this stuff exists, they now realize there is a huge problem. Hopefully they pass that video on to everyone they know.
During that hearing these CEOs and Chief Pilots were lying right to the senators faces. One senator in particular said that usually these hearings should not be on a personal level. However, his brother was lost in a not so distant aircraft accident and to him it was personal. He had a ton of knowledge of our industry and when he would back the management of the airlines into a corner, they would lie to him. Why don't the actual line pilots get invited into these hearings. Just like they did in this video tonight, we should be able to come forward and state the facts (Not Roger Cohen's facts of AVERAGE pay for regional CAs and FOs. Props for cutting him off there and telling him that we weren't talking about the average, but the ever so real junior guys at the bottom.
I've had friends calling me all night after watching this video. While I have been telling them for years that this stuff exists, they now realize there is a huge problem. Hopefully they pass that video on to everyone they know.
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Incase anyone missed it..
FRONTLINE: flying cheap: watch the full program | PBS
get this to everyone you know... this needs to be forwarded to every one in America.
FRONTLINE: flying cheap: watch the full program | PBS
get this to everyone you know... this needs to be forwarded to every one in America.
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