If you apply at Colgan
02-11-2010 | 02:51 PM
#101
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[quote=tzadik;762429]well sir then i guess 90% of the people on this regional’s forum are guilty of ruining this industry as i see a lot of CL65, ERJ, E170, DHC-8, and S340 signatures around these parts.. i dont make the decisions on what goes to mainline or to the regional’s and i understand the damaging effects that the regional’s have had on this industry. does that mean all of us should quit our jobs?
Pretty sure my Saab 340 flying an EAS with 2 passengers isn't taking any Boeing jobs....
Pretty sure my Saab 340 flying an EAS with 2 passengers isn't taking any Boeing jobs....
02-11-2010 | 02:54 PM
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From: I only fly multi-winged airplanes.
I will start printing out the NASA forms, and calling the FAA to report the accident to be.
I would also expect him to have 7700 in his transponder...cuz that's what you do when you fly anything with out auto pilots, an FMS, a GPS, or a second pilot on board.
02-11-2010 | 03:00 PM
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LOL...911 on speed dial.
I will start printing out the NASA forms, and calling the FAA to report the accident to be.
I would also expect him to have 7700 in his transponder...cuz that's what you do when you fly anything with out auto pilots, an FMS, a GPS, or a second pilot on board.
I will start printing out the NASA forms, and calling the FAA to report the accident to be.
I would also expect him to have 7700 in his transponder...cuz that's what you do when you fly anything with out auto pilots, an FMS, a GPS, or a second pilot on board.
this whole thread has pretty much lost track....
02-11-2010 | 03:05 PM
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all hail you great aviators... you guys are the best. i know its hard for you to assume that maybe others in this business might actually have some ability. sorry i didnt build my time dusting crops or flying traffic watch i guess i cant change that. i would like to pick up a CFI as im extremely eager to acquire more knowledge in a field that i love. i never said i was the worlds best aviator but i do take offense when you make blind accusations that pilots that came from my background are awful. you get 911 on the line... maybe instead of being insulting you can invite me out and show me how the pros do it on 2000' grass strips. you never know i might just learn something from you and become a better pilot.
02-11-2010 | 03:05 PM
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well sir then i guess 90% of the people on this regional’s forum are guilty of ruining this industry as i see a lot of CL65, ERJ, E170, DHC-8, and S340 signatures around these parts.. i dont make the decisions on what goes to mainline or to the regional’s and i understand the damaging effects that the regional’s have had on this industry. does that mean all of us should quit our jobs?
and no sir i dont assume to have the experience or knowledge that you have acquired after a 20 year career but i do feel that im competent enough to handle myself in an emergency situation.
and no sir i dont assume to have the experience or knowledge that you have acquired after a 20 year career but i do feel that im competent enough to handle myself in an emergency situation.
Ideally we should operate under one certificate per paint job with no code sharing or outsourcing. 777 to BE1900 should be in one company on one certificate.
No need to call me sir, I'm just a pilot like everyone else here.
02-11-2010 | 03:16 PM
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You have never let a student take you for a wild ride, that allows you to learn a lot more than just sitting in the right seat of a jet.
You have never flown ALONE, in hard IFR, with out a GPS, with out an auto pilot, working your way through thunderstorms, managing icing situations in small piston powered airplane that can't climb or out run anything very well, gone VOR to VOR, flown and done the radios, and your attitude shows how inadequate you most likely are. You push buttons and the jet flys, that's it son.
Your foundation is very weak. Just like the Captain of Colgan 3407. He had no CFI time, very little solo PIC time, and he liked taking short cuts that kept him from being a CFI or box hauler.
You have never flown ALONE, in hard IFR, with out a GPS, with out an auto pilot, working your way through thunderstorms, managing icing situations in small piston powered airplane that can't climb or out run anything very well, gone VOR to VOR, flown and done the radios, and your attitude shows how inadequate you most likely are. You push buttons and the jet flys, that's it son.
Your foundation is very weak. Just like the Captain of Colgan 3407. He had no CFI time, very little solo PIC time, and he liked taking short cuts that kept him from being a CFI or box hauler.
02-11-2010 | 03:18 PM
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You do realize now your starting to sound like the only super pilot here, you've pretty much made your point we get it your better than the rest of us because of your single pilot 135 time.....now where did I stick that bowing to greatness smilie......
this whole thread has pretty much lost track....
this whole thread has pretty much lost track....
When I was a 7 year captain at AWAC I'm pretty sure I would have grossed more that a 15 year Q400 captain at Colgan when soft money is added.
If you want to work at Colgan fine but I hope you have a family to support. That way you can truly appreciate how little they pay.
Did this put us back on track?
02-11-2010 | 03:24 PM
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I don't think anyone saw where this regional thing was going until it was too late except management. I know you don't make decisions on what is flown by mainline or regional, but if you demanded significantly more for 70 and 90 seat flying and mainline unions demanded scope recovery, perhaps it would become more economical for management to move flying back to mainline. It is a problem that has to be fixed from both sides. Until every one is willing to push back and demand what we are worth we are all screwed.
Ideally we should operate under one certificate per paint job with no code sharing or outsourcing. 777 to BE1900 should be in one company on one certificate.
No need to call me sir, I'm just a pilot like everyone else here.
Ideally we should operate under one certificate per paint job with no code sharing or outsourcing. 777 to BE1900 should be in one company on one certificate.
No need to call me sir, I'm just a pilot like everyone else here.
you know i agree with a lot of what you said but i feel a large majority of the blame should fall on ALPA's shoulders. praeter is the one that called mesa's new TA "industry leading". that entire union has idlely sat by and watched this storm gain strength but the money keeps flowing to washington regardless. i know there are a lot of union true believers at the pilot level that work really hard to spread the gospel and fight for us but frankly i think this regionals thing is a lost cause. if changes are to be made its gonna happen far above our heads. and i have no problem calling you sir as you've survived this industry for 20 years and im sure i could learn plenty from you and contrary to popular belief i am more than willing.
02-11-2010 | 03:32 PM
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I think the point of this thread is that working for the what Colgan pays damages any effort to increase wages industry wide.
When I was a 7 year captain at AWAC I'm pretty sure I would have grossed more that a 15 year Q400 captain at Colgan when soft money is added.
If you want to work at Colgan fine but I hope you have a family to support. That way you can truly appreciate how little they pay.
Did this put us back on track?
When I was a 7 year captain at AWAC I'm pretty sure I would have grossed more that a 15 year Q400 captain at Colgan when soft money is added.
If you want to work at Colgan fine but I hope you have a family to support. That way you can truly appreciate how little they pay.
Did this put us back on track?
02-11-2010 | 03:39 PM
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you know i agree with a lot of what you said but i feel a large majority of the blame should fall on ALPA's shoulders. praeter is the one that called mesa's new TA "industry leading". that entire union has idlely sat by and watched this storm gain strength but the money keeps flowing to washington regardless. i know there are a lot of union true believers at the pilot level that work really hard to spread the gospel and fight for us but frankly i think this regionals thing is a lost cause. if changes are to be made its gonna happen far above our heads. and i have no problem calling you sir as you've survived this industry for 20 years and im sure i could learn plenty from you and contrary to popular belief i am more than willing.
You will have to be content learning more from those who have taken the same path as you.
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