Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 306177)

good post flynavyj, i agree with almost all of it...

whos more qualified to be in the right seat though... a pilot factory graduate with 300TT, crm and adavanced jet training dealing with V1 cuts, engine fires, and rapid decomps or a 600TT cessna 206 night time box flyer. dont get me wrong there's nothing bad about box hauling across kansas, but for some to make these blanket statements that some guy with 391TT is fooling himself if he thinks he might be ready for 121 is flat out ridiculous.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 294824)

i'd love to come over... submitted app via email and fax. just need someone to get back to me and i'll race down to atlanta. watchin tv is getting old real quick.

i'd prefer the 700 if all was equal but it sounds like the 200 is the best bet at ASA so i guess i'll shoot for that. thanks.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762307)

disagree... just like every other profession you either have it or you dont. i went from zero to CRJ-900 in 14 months. first day/first flight of IOE i heard the words "your leg your brief"... and you know what, it went fine because i have it. I'm quite good at what i do, but at the same time i deeply hold the belief that every day in the air is another opportunity to learn something new and grow as an aviator. i've been humbled and i have impressed and i've never even touched a 172.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762307)

disagree... just like every other profession you either have it or you dont. i went from zero to CRJ-900 in 14 months. first day/first flight of IOE i heard the words "your leg your brief"... and you know what, it went fine because i have it. I'm quite good at what i do, but at the same time i deeply hold the belief that every day in the air is another opportunity to learn something new and grow as an aviator. i've been humbled and i have impressed and i've never even touched a 172.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762307)

disagree... just like every other profession you either have it or you dont. i went from zero to CRJ-900 in 14 months. first day/first flight of IOE i heard the words "your leg your brief"... and you know what, it went fine because i have it. I'm quite good at what i do, but at the same time i deeply hold the belief that every day in the air is another opportunity to learn something new and grow as an aviator. i've been humbled and i have impressed and i've never even touched a 172.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762307)

disagree... just like every other profession you either have it or you dont. i went from zero to CRJ-900 in 14 months. first day/first flight of IOE i heard the words "your leg your brief"... and you know what, it went fine because i have it. I'm quite good at what i do, but at the same time i deeply hold the belief that every day in the air is another opportunity to learn something new and grow as an aviator. i've been humbled and i have impressed and i've never even touched a 172.

Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 762379)

Wow you also think your 300 hours at a structured school with no PIC is better than a night freight dawg :rolleyes:
And God forbid you should have to fly the -200! U need the Heavy CRJ!:rolleyes::eek:

Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 762373)

Dude, you are awesome. Do you mind if I poke my crazy straw into that giant cup of kick as$?

Originally Posted by mooney (Post 762384)

"hello tzadik, this is Martin Scorsese. I am making a film called 'The Right Stuff' and I would like to base the leading role around your aviation life"

Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 762371)

UNBELIEVABLE

Just curious how cheaply you gave your amazing skills away for to fly that 90 seat jet. Just because you can be an oxygen thief in the right seat with minimal time doesn't mean you have the decision making skills to handle something when the ****** hits the fan and everyone is expecting you to save their bacon.

You may have it but you ceartinly don't get it.:eek:

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762401)

please enlighten me oh wise one... what dont i get... i've got thousands of hours in the jet now and frankly think i could save everyones bacon if called upon and id be willing to bet you think you could to if given the opportunity.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762401)

please enlighten me oh wise one... what dont i get... i've got thousands of hours in the jet now and frankly think i could save everyones bacon if called upon and id be willing to bet you think you could to if given the opportunity.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762401)

please enlighten me oh wise one... what dont i get... i've got thousands of hours in the jet now and frankly think i could save everyones bacon if called upon and id be willing to bet you think you could to if given the opportunity.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762401)

please enlighten me oh wise one... what dont i get... i've got thousands of hours in the jet now and frankly think i could save everyones bacon if called upon and id be willing to bet you think you could to if given the opportunity.

Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 762409)

Mod note:

Interesting subject line - but drop all of the verbal poke in the eyes with all the near name calling (like this last one "oh wise one and others before on boths sides of the fence). this only leads the thread down a path to getting closed when someone finally can't control themselves. You can debate the issue with feeling the need to stick your finger in someone's chest.

USMCFLYR

Originally Posted by CaptainTeezy (Post 762418)

You have never let a student take you for a wild ride, that allows you to learn a lot more than just sitting in the right seat of a jet.

You have never flown ALONE, in hard IFR, with out a GPS, with out an auto pilot, working your way through thunderstorms, managing icing situations in small piston powered airplane that can't climb or out run anything very well, gone VOR to VOR, flown and done the radios, and your attitude shows how inadequate you most likely are. You push buttons and the jet flys, that's it son.

Your foundation is very weak. Just like the Captain of Colgan 3407. He had no CFI time, very little solo PIC time, and he liked taking short cuts that kept him from being a CFI or box hauler.

I will say it again. Major airlines should require 1000 hours of PIC time in airplanes as a CFI or 135 single pilot, if you were not a military pilot. The FAA should require an ATP to have 1000 hours of PIC time in airplanes. If you disagree you are not thinking clearly.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762401)

please enlighten me oh wise one... what dont i get... i've got thousands of hours in the jet now and frankly think i could save everyones bacon if called upon and id be willing to bet you think you could to if given the opportunity.

Originally Posted by CubCAPTAIN (Post 762425)

Well said. This guy should come see myself and USMCssgt at our 2000' grass airfield. We'll throw him in a J-3 or PT-17 on a windy day and see if he "has it" as he says. HAHA I'll have 911 on speed dial....

Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 762417)

What you apparently don't get is that jumping into the largest aircraft you can as quickly as possible regarless of pay is elimenating jobs at mainline. Every time more 70 and 90 seat aircraft are outsourced to regionals because of people willing to fly them at any cost is removing the very job opportunities you probably started a professional pilot career for yourself.

You're right I can save my bacon. Done it several times in the past 20 years flying both military and civilian. Just curious how many of your thousands of hours of jet time you have actually been the final authority and exercised that privelage.

Originally Posted by CubCAPTAIN (Post 762425)

Well said. This guy should come see myself and USMCssgt at our 2000' grass airfield. We'll throw him in a J-3 or PT-17 on a windy day and see if he "has it" as he says. HAHA I'll have 911 on speed dial....

Originally Posted by CaptainTeezy (Post 762437)

LOL...911 on speed dial.

I will start printing out the NASA forms, and calling the FAA to report the accident to be.

I would also expect him to have 7700 in his transponder...cuz that's what you do when you fly anything with out auto pilots, an FMS, a GPS, or a second pilot on board.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762429)

well sir then i guess 90% of the people on this regional’s forum are guilty of ruining this industry as i see a lot of CL65, ERJ, E170, DHC-8, and S340 signatures around these parts.. i dont make the decisions on what goes to mainline or to the regional’s and i understand the damaging effects that the regional’s have had on this industry. does that mean all of us should quit our jobs?

and no sir i dont assume to have the experience or knowledge that you have acquired after a 20 year career but i do feel that im competent enough to handle myself in an emergency situation.

Originally Posted by CaptainTeezy (Post 762418)

You have never let a student take you for a wild ride, that allows you to learn a lot more than just sitting in the right seat of a jet.

You have never flown ALONE, in hard IFR, with out a GPS, with out an auto pilot, working your way through thunderstorms, managing icing situations in small piston powered airplane that can't climb or out run anything very well, gone VOR to VOR, flown and done the radios, and your attitude shows how inadequate you most likely are. You push buttons and the jet flys, that's it son.

Your foundation is very weak. Just like the Captain of Colgan 3407. He had no CFI time, very little solo PIC time, and he liked taking short cuts that kept him from being a CFI or box hauler.

Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 762442)

You do realize now your starting to sound like the only super pilot here, you've pretty much made your point we get it your better than the rest of us because of your single pilot 135 time.....now where did I stick that bowing to greatness smilie......

this whole thread has pretty much lost track....

Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 762446)

I don't think anyone saw where this regional thing was going until it was too late except management. I know you don't make decisions on what is flown by mainline or regional, but if you demanded significantly more for 70 and 90 seat flying and mainline unions demanded scope recovery, perhaps it would become more economical for management to move flying back to mainline. It is a problem that has to be fixed from both sides. Until every one is willing to push back and demand what we are worth we are all screwed.

Ideally we should operate under one certificate per paint job with no code sharing or outsourcing. 777 to BE1900 should be in one company on one certificate.

No need to call me sir, I'm just a pilot like everyone else here.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 762454)

I think the point of this thread is that working for the what Colgan pays damages any effort to increase wages industry wide.

When I was a 7 year captain at AWAC I'm pretty sure I would have grossed more that a 15 year Q400 captain at Colgan when soft money is added.

If you want to work at Colgan fine but I hope you have a family to support. That way you can truly appreciate how little they pay.

Did this put us back on track?

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762457)

you know i agree with a lot of what you said but i feel a large majority of the blame should fall on ALPA's shoulders. praeter is the one that called mesa's new TA "industry leading". that entire union has idlely sat by and watched this storm gain strength but the money keeps flowing to washington regardless. i know there are a lot of union true believers at the pilot level that work really hard to spread the gospel and fight for us but frankly i think this regionals thing is a lost cause. if changes are to be made its gonna happen far above our heads. and i have no problem calling you sir as you've survived this industry for 20 years and im sure i could learn plenty from you and contrary to popular belief i am more than willing.

Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 762471)

Unfortunately, I have been outsourced and no longer have the opportunity to learn more myself from those senior to me or share my experience. I now get to fly single pilot 135 IFR at night in icing with a light twin. You may ask why with the experience I have, because I make more than the top end of the colgan FO payscale and probably more that the first few years on the captain scale. Also my quality of life is better than it has been for quite a few years.

You will have to be content learning more from those who have taken the same path as you.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762478)

well dosbo, im sorry to hear that you lost your job but im pleased to know that youre enjoying your new one and the accompanying quality of life. id like to see everyone achieve their career goals including all the pilots that jumped on me for defending my background and being proud of the pilot i am becoming.

Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 762483)

I didn't loose my job. I was outsourced to someone willing to do it cheaper. While I am enjoying a great deal of time off, a short drive to work and a boss that appreciates my experience, my career goals are in the toilet and I have to decide if aviation is even worth it anymore. Flying single pilot IFR in icing with a light twin really does suck, I really don't need more of this type of experience. The only upside is I may be getting back in the guard flying gunships, now that is flying.

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762486)

i'd love to fly the AH-64... good luck i hope it works out.

Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 762523)

If you would really like to fly military find a guard unit and start talking to them.

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha (Post 762548)

Is the vision req still 20/20 fighter, 20/60 transport?

Originally Posted by tzadik (Post 762307)

disagree... just like every other profession you either have it or you dont. i went from zero to CRJ-900 in 14 months. first day/first flight of IOE i heard the words "your leg your brief"... and you know what, it went fine because i have it. I'm quite good at what i do, but at the same time i deeply hold the belief that every day in the air is another opportunity to learn something new and grow as an aviator. i've been humbled and i have impressed and i've never even touched a 172.

Originally Posted by Fishfreighter (Post 761475)

Don't worry. There are plenty of pilots who'll go to work anywhere as long as they think they'll get ahead faster. Colgan is no different from Virgin or Allegiant in that respect.

Originally Posted by Lowlevel (Post 762675)

Wow! I read all the comments about this original post, and all I can think of is how "cocky" this remark is. Who did you impress? And were they impressed because of the great job you did, or were they impresses that a low time guy didn't kill them? Thank God you landed a job in a jet, instead of that poor FO on the Colgan flight that said she never experienced icing, and did not know how to deal with it. At least the de-ice on the jet can keep you safer. I have thousands of hours, and thousands of jet hours, and never bragged about my skills like you are doing. I have always held the belief that aviation is a profession where learning never ends and you are never as good as you think you are. You may think you "know how to fly" but that is just because you have never had to deal with a real emergency or deal with real time problems during a flight. That is the point that some are trying to make here. Flying a 172 in hard IFR, flying an Aztec at midnight, single pilot, in ice and snow, or having an engine failure or electrical failure during an approach to mins...these are not just events, they are also times where a pilot learns who he is and learns skills to help him in his career. Things like this are rare in jet aviation, but they happen. If you lost an engine at 500 ft. on an ILS to mins, would you be able to handle it? If you lost your PFD just as you were about to join the localizer, how well would you handle it? If you had a wing overheat warning on an approach during a freezing rain and snow event, would you be able to handle it? There are so many scenarios I could come up with where your lack of experience may or may not become an issue. Hopefully, you will be with a captain that can handle the situation.


Seeing that you are flying a -900, and are not furloughed, kinda shortens the list of possible airlines that you may work for. So, if it is Mesa, have fun looking for a new job once that place goes under (not too far in the future).