If you apply at Colgan
 

After seeing Frontline last night you are crazy. This is the reason pilots get treated so poorly. I almost puked when I watched the show. I'm currently on furlough from a a different airline and had no idea how bad it is over there. Unreal what people will do for a job. I'm sure some 250 hour wonders are getting interviewed there right now.

Don't be a drama queen. I been there well over a year and never encountered any of those shenanigans described by those fired employees.

He is not being a drama queen. Do you think the families of the passengers that were killed by Colgan are drama queens?

Just because you perceive that you haven't seen any of these "shenanigans" doesn't mean that Colgan isn't responsible for all this.

Standing up for Colgan doesn't help our profession, and I hope you intend to help and/or improve our profession.

You accept the poverty wages and have no respect for yourself. No excuse, there are other $20,000/year jobs out there. Ask your kids or someone else's kids where to get a different job to apply at if you can't find one yourself. Walk out of your parents basement next door and maybe there will be some neighbor kids that can "walk in your app" at the mall. By the way everyone, not everybody is going to fly heavy metal for the majors.

Colgan is not the only airline that does this man...trust me.

5 more posts before being shut down I predict....

oh the insight here is mind boggling ....

...oh and nwa757, were you fired from colgan?

Don't worry. There are plenty of pilots who'll go to work anywhere as long as they think they'll get ahead faster. Colgan is no different from Virgin or Allegiant in that respect.

What does that have to do with anything?

That's like having a murderer in a courtroom and trying to defend him by saying, "this isn't the only guy in town who's killed someone before."

I don't perceive it, I live it every day. I have never been pressured to "move the rig" and never asked to fudge paperwork. I will stand up the the flight crews that I know and fly with every day. They are very professional and perform just as well as any mainline crew I have witnessed from a jumpseat!

Every single airline in the world today could fill a one hour slot on Frontline with their own problems!

Agree 100%, yeah there might be unprofessional pilots here at Colgan, but I've not witnessed any as of yet. Plenty of other airlines have issues. Its cause of the crash we are scum of the earth cause all of you listen to the media. You dont have any idea what exactly happened in the minds of those pilots. They messed up and payed with their and 48 others lives. Look at the accidents in the past, so that makes every airline scum. No! its just several different situations that didnt turn out the way we would of liked. We are changing and making Colgan a safer better place to work at. Trust Me! The union guys are doing a great job with that.

Originally Posted by CrippleHawk
"Colgan is not the only airline that does this man...trust me."

This is spot on! I believe what CrippleHawk is trying to say is that other Part 121 Carriers are doing the same things. Although they might not be time shaving all the time or pushing MEL'ed airplanes all the time, I think it only takes once. AND Here's your kicker. If you say anything to anyone about the corners you're cutting through the FARs and you boss finds out... You're canned, because they know they find someone to replace you in the blink of an eye....

Summed up for all of us... FML ;)

The most damning item in the whole show was the Colgan Director of Ops, Dean Badanavais standing up for the Captain who falsified the weight and balance. If you get caught with your pants down, you don't tell the FAA this was one of your best Captains, you tell them you fired his butt. It was very illustrative of the attitude of management.

Even more disgusting was then going after the F/O who had the cojones to blow the whistle on the idiot.

You guys read about the PSA incident in CRW??? What! They weren't being safe. Not adhering to sterile cockpit. We should start calling there company unsafe and why the heck would anyone wanna work there. Nope cause every airline has its issues. Move on from this Colgan crap GEESH!!!!!!!!

Dude, why do you have your ratings listed as your sig.......................?

isnt kind of understood that Airline Pilots that come from the civilian pool have all of these?

Didn't Sully and Skiles violate sterile cockpit? Just saying.

He did them all and got a job as an airline pilot at 270 hours... at Colgan

Colgan has put alot of pilots at other carriers out of jobs. They have been known for poor mx and force pilots to fly broken planes. CO rewards them by putting 15 more Q400's in IAH. This is why the industry needs to be changed. They have undercut numerous carriers.

The spokesman for the RAA is one sketchy dude...not helped by his fake tan.

before going tooooo deep into this.... what's your DOH? You seem awfully niave about the industry, and especially about your own company. Were you hired AFTER the accident?

Yep......... I'm just saying

Yea and I bet your the guy that mommy and daddy paided for everything. Got hired at 20 years old with no real experience in life and thinks this his s#it don't stink. You have some issues buddy. :rolleyes:

I think you need to find a different profession.

No, they are among the other handful of bottom feeder airlines that do this. This is not routine at most regional airlines. Glad I didn't go there and held out for a respectable job offer.

Please leave the personal attacks off the forums. Thanks.

You're - not "your". OK, maybe we let that one go....

-but-

"Paided" for everything. Really? "Paided" for everything.

What do you have do get a job at that place? Not be currently on parole and be able to put all the blocks through the correct holes in a toddler's shape sorter?

Finally, don't insinuate that Sully & Skiles are in the same league as these others.....you embarrass yourself.

Guys lets look at the big picture here. Instead of badmouthing and fingerpointing at each other we should be uniting together against that As%^&le Cohen. Thats the big problem. When the guy at the head of the industry does not think there is a problem then we will never get anywhere. I don;t think anything uncovered in that special last night DOES not or HAS not happened at your "platinum" regional. I seem to recall another carrier taking off on the wrong runway a few years ago. Didn;t we all learn during instrument training to check the DG against the runway heading? Same way we learned stall recovery? But something happened. The crew made a grave mistake and they paid for it. I can probably name quite a few accidents over the years that have been caused by pilots screwing up bad. The worst one in history (Tenerife) was one example. How many hours do you think those guys had? Quite a few I'd guess. Planes crash because people make mistakes.

Just end the Colgan bashing. I have been there a few years and have never been uncomfrotable with any captain I have flown with. I.m not saying that the incidents described on Frontline last night never happened. But when did they happen? There is definately Old Colgan and New Colgan. If you are on the outside looking in then you cant see the positive changes that have happened over the last two years. We see it and there is no one here that will deny that things are changing for the better and ALL the negative things (pay included) ARE and WILL be dealt with. So either recocnize and support what is going on here or just keep bashing it and become part of the problem. This Cohen guy needs to be dealt with together by all the regional airline pilots he supposedly represents.

No, the company did not go after the FO for "whistle blowing." You think any normal human/pilot who invested as much time energy and money into becoming a pilot would not sue the hell out of a company (and win) if he got fired only for whistle blowing? He was ALREADY about to get fired for being a **** poor pilot and for sexual harassment. He KNEW about the weight and balance issue, NEVER objected to it, WENT ALONG with it. What does that say about his claims that he was concerned for safety. What does that say about him as an FO. He only brought it up after the fact when he decided to use it against the captain.

Seems to me that Colgan is just another fat ugly girl in the bar. The problem is that it's about midnight and she's the only girl in the place. The youngsters have been drinking too much and she's starting to look pretty good... Till morning.

You guys will be trying to chew your arm off...

It might seem like a good idea now but I hope you don't get a disease that can't be cured with a shot of penisillin.

Colgan Sucks. I love how people try to justify it as a good airline. Give me a break. I'm proud to be on furlough and not apply to an unsafe bottom feeder.

make no mistake about it... this is a dirty dirty business... and completion factor payment does nothing but invite danger. while its true that some jobs in this business are more desired than others id being willing to bet that from colgan all the way up through horizon some pretty shady business practices are in place all across the board. keep in mind we're all underpaid and overworked and i'm pretty sure its music to the ears of executives when they log onto this forum and see us b***hing each other out and blaming one another for undercutting and destroying each other’s QOL. Kind of funny when we blame a pilot for working at colgan for slave wages under a turrrible contract when others are making what $3 more an hour and working under an almost equally crappy contract. I think OJ and chucky and the rest should probably receive the majority of the finger pointing.

oh by the way... all of this took place under the watchful eye of the mighty ALPA. greattttttt representation as always.

oh and mr airline union representative guy please spare us all the it would be so much worse without us rhetoric.

He does not represent pilots. Prater was there representing the pilots. Cohen is the president of the RAA which represents regional airline management. Yes, management have their own association as well. Some of the members include:


SkyWest Holdings

Air Wisconsin

Cape Air

PSA Airlines

Republic Airways Holdings

American Eagle Airlines

Gulfstream International Airlines

Empire Airlines

Trans States Holdings

Jazz Air

ExpressJet

Great Lakes Aviation

I was hired in '08...before the accident. You are mistaken if you think I don't know what goes on in the industry. I am speaking of what I myself deal with on a day to day on the job. My point is Colgan should not be the only Regional Airline to get bashed when they are all dirty! I also said in a previous thread that all that sounds like the Pre-Pinnacle era Colgan.

With all due respect, Sir, You might be stirring the pot here. We all try to do the job to the best of our ability and hopefully make the industry safer everyday. If you are going to lump ALL of us into the lot that Colgan ( In this instance ) is portraying....I feel sorry for you.

I almost puked after watching the show yesterday. But I don't for one second feel sorry for those former colgan pilots on that show. Anyone that applies to colgan is equally as guilty for dragging down the industry. Nothing will change there because it can't. I mean if you watched that yesterday and are still in the process of applying, you really have no self respect. God help you.

It shows

Apparently not as mistaken as you

Sorry you feel this way, because nothing could be further from the truth.

Based on the posts on here and in other forums and threads from Colgan guys, I think you are again mistaken. They may have swept things under the rug, but the dirt and debris is still there. It seems as if you just don't have anything else to compare it to, so to you; it's normal.

Yes, that is true for most flight crews at Colgan as well. You can't tell me that your management is any better then any other airlines management including Colgan.

ChipChelios..
I've worked for both new and old Colgan. Being hired in 08' you are new school kid. Trust me when I say this, Colgan did on a regular basis ask... correction force pilots to agree to changing times for fear of loosing their jobs. Those who did the right thing and refused, would be pulled into Manassas and harassed. Those who kept their jobs were labeled as trouble makers. I'm sure you have heard that term used for some of the guys you fly with. Have you ever witnessed their trouble making? How horrible their decition making is when they refuse an aircraft after being on duty 15.5 hrs, and have flown almost 10 hrs that day. Yes, I said 10 hours. Remember ANY maintanance flight is part 91 and will not count against the 30 and 7 or 8 hr rule.
The funny thing's that some of these "Trouble makers have just recently been placed in safety, and lead positions. Funny how when the FAA comes calling, Colgan's "Trouble Makers" are the ones saving the Company in these troubled times.

lemme see if I am reading this right. you are telling me that pinnacle management IMPROVED those conditions? In my experiences with Pinnacle i think it should be the other way around....did Pinnacle management really improve Colgan, or did the crash/backlash improve Colgan?

The crash unfortunately. When Pinnacle came on board the only thing that changed were name plates, and letterhead...

Sounds like you put yourself on a pedestal. What may I ask makes you such an expert?