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Continued outsourcing.
Pure and simple outsourcing! Heck even the manufacturer of the jet knows what it is. Spare me the self branding BS.
<b>http://www.bombardier.com/files/en/supporting_docs/BCA_2009_Market_Forecast.pdf</b> While the rate of capacity reductions is expected to slow, US mainline carriers will continue to remove older aircraft from their fleets. Scope clauses will be challenged as mainline carriers continue to look for more optimization opportunities through regional carrier outsourcing. An important component of mainline carrier crew labour agreements are scope clauses. These negotiated clauses define restrictions on the type, number and size of aircraft that may be flown by regional airline partners. Scope clauses are found in both the US and Europe, but are most restrictive in the US. Historically, scope clauses have been a barrier to outsourcing. However, scope clauses are considerably less restrictive than they were historically, and are permitting regional carriers to fly more and larger regional aircraft. It is predicted that over the next 20 years, scopes clauses will evolve, permitting 100-seat aircraft to be flown by regional carriers, and play a central role in reshaping the makeup of the industry. The mix of the deliveries, 5,800 turboprops and jets in total, will be strongly influenced by mainline carrier scope clauses as they evolve to permit improved network capacity optimization. On a cost basis, regional airlines operating large regional aircraft have proven to be very competitive even compared to LFCs flying larger narrow body aircraft. (LFC = Low Fare Carrier = Southwest) |
Originally Posted by aerosurfer
(Post 769132)
UMMMM yeah... SLI May 31 at the latest per the arbitrator. But hey keep trying.
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Originally Posted by Sambo1
(Post 769144)
Mark my words....RAH with this plane will change the industry!!!! Again! I am not saying for the better.
All of these sound good to the accuser but they will not abide the coming economic storm. We had our bailout after 9/11 ($5B) and it still resulted in BK and mergers. That just postponed the inevitable. Mark my words, you ain't seen nothing yet. The pressure put on airlines to have a similar cost structure has just been ratcheted up by a factor of 3. 10 years and you won't recognize the place. |
Originally Posted by mwa1
(Post 769210)
10 years and you won't recognize the place.
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Rj?
How did a thread about a 138 seat airplane ordered by a 2.5 billion dollar per year company get moved from the majors to the regionals? Every one of us needs to make sure these airplanes are never called RJs. The moderators here could help with that too. As someone already mentioned, Frontier already has decent payrates for these, and Midwest did too, if any part of our contract can be resurrected from the trash bin.
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If F9 doesn't get SLI they will be YX in the near future- Loenzo's legacy, repeated.
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Originally Posted by AAflyer
(Post 769201)
Pure and simple outsourcing! Heck even the manufacturer of the jet knows what it is. Spare me the self branding BS.
<b>http://www.bombardier.com/files/en/supporting_docs/BCA_2009_Market_Forecast.pdf</b> While the rate of capacity reductions is expected to slow, US mainline carriers will continue to remove older aircraft from their fleets. Scope clauses will be challenged as mainline carriers continue to look for more optimization opportunities through regional carrier outsourcing. An important component of mainline carrier crew labour agreements are scope clauses. These negotiated clauses define restrictions on the type, number and size of aircraft that may be flown by regional airline partners. Scope clauses are found in both the US and Europe, but are most restrictive in the US. Historically, scope clauses have been a barrier to outsourcing. However, scope clauses are considerably less restrictive than they were historically, and are permitting regional carriers to fly more and larger regional aircraft. It is predicted that over the next 20 years, scopes clauses will evolve, permitting 100-seat aircraft to be flown by regional carriers, and play a central role in reshaping the makeup of the industry. The mix of the deliveries, 5,800 turboprops and jets in total, will be strongly influenced by mainline carrier scope clauses as they evolve to permit improved network capacity optimization. On a cost basis, regional airlines operating large regional aircraft have proven to be very competitive even compared to LFCs flying larger narrow body aircraft. (LFC = Low Fare Carrier = Southwest) Good find AAF, just want to point out that all contracts regardless of industry have a "scope of the agreement" section. sometimes I think that many interpret "scope" as something peculiar to seat numbers. |
Originally Posted by 3XLoser
(Post 769216)
How did a thread about a 138 seat airplane ordered by a 2.5 billion dollar per year company get moved from the majors to the regionals? Every one of us needs to make sure these airplanes are never called RJs. The moderators here could help with that too. As someone already mentioned, Frontier already has decent payrates for these, and Midwest did too, if any part of our contract can be resurrected from the trash bin.
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It sounds like the only good job in the Airlines over the next few decades will be in upper management.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 769091)
Every major could make the jet work at mainline, but they do not want to be stuck with ALL not just pilots, mainline costs when the first major carrier gives it away. That is why most will not move on it.
Just trying to clarify what you're saying above. |
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