Logbooks for regional interviews
03-05-2010 | 05:08 AM
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My old logbook was water damaged, so I've gone 100% electronic. If I wanted to I could cut all of the endorsements out of the back, but I haven't, and don't plan to.
Just a word of advice, I'd pass on the three ring binder and laminated pages--that just screams tacky and sloppy. Invest in a nice binder and some quality logbook paper. Yes, it's going to set you back about $150. However, if I was part of a hiring board and was handed a binder that someone picked up at Staples, I'd be inclined to lump them with the people that show up to interviews not wearing proper attire (i.e., no suit, etc).
Take that for whatever it's worth.
Just a word of advice, I'd pass on the three ring binder and laminated pages--that just screams tacky and sloppy. Invest in a nice binder and some quality logbook paper. Yes, it's going to set you back about $150. However, if I was part of a hiring board and was handed a binder that someone picked up at Staples, I'd be inclined to lump them with the people that show up to interviews not wearing proper attire (i.e., no suit, etc).
Take that for whatever it's worth.
03-05-2010 | 06:35 AM
#12
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Some airlines will verify your endorsements. I know people that check to see if you have been endorsed more than once(for same license) to see if you have failed a check ride. This is a good way to catch if you have lied.
I would bring all hard copies and make sure your times all add up. If they dont add up be prepared to explain why.
I would bring all hard copies and make sure your times all add up. If they dont add up be prepared to explain why.
They will also want to see paper logbooks covering all of your training. As someone mentioned they want to read between the lines to spot checkride failures, etc.
The fact that you hold a cert, does not mean that employers will take that at face-value, there have been cases of fraud in the past. That's why pilots who lose their logbook are in such a world of hurt. It's the first logbook with all your training that's important. Once you are at an airline electronic records are fine for 121 flying.
03-05-2010 | 06:44 AM
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Have done 2 121 interviews and only thing I was asked to give them was copies of last 2 pages. Would stay away from bringing a binder its a bit chincy. You want to stand out from the pack with other attritbutes.. Was one of four outta 17 who was offered the job. Guess it was cause I wore the same color shirt as the chief pilot and I like to hunt. More you talk about things outside of aviation the better. With a huge binder u might be walking into some crazy technical questions about exact flights since you seem to have everything well laid out. Could be wrong tho. Good Luck
03-05-2010 | 06:45 AM
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I just interviewed and was hired by compass.
I use logbook pro and I printed off the entire thing front and back on "jeppesen green" card stock and took it to office max and had it spiral bound. I have since taken it back and had them add pages. It is very easy.
The folks interviewing me commented on how much they liked the printed logbook. I did bring all off my old logbooks with all the signatures in them so they could verify. About a year ago I quit logging individual legs in my hand written logbook and started logging by the month just incase anyone ever has a problem with the printed book. The printed logbook gets logged by leg.
Like others have mentioned once you reach the airline level or ATP level there really isnt a need for a hand written logbook.
I use logbook pro and I printed off the entire thing front and back on "jeppesen green" card stock and took it to office max and had it spiral bound. I have since taken it back and had them add pages. It is very easy.
The folks interviewing me commented on how much they liked the printed logbook. I did bring all off my old logbooks with all the signatures in them so they could verify. About a year ago I quit logging individual legs in my hand written logbook and started logging by the month just incase anyone ever has a problem with the printed book. The printed logbook gets logged by leg.
Like others have mentioned once you reach the airline level or ATP level there really isnt a need for a hand written logbook.
03-05-2010 | 09:02 AM
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Okay, thanks for the feedback guys. Sounds like I am in good shape as I went to eletronic well after the last checkride I took (MEI). I'll plan to bring the paper logbooks showing all of my training, endorsements, checkrides, etc and then electronic covering everything after that. Thoughts?
03-05-2010 | 03:09 PM
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Yes, you will certainly need all of your endorsements, Flight Reviews, etc.
They will also want to see paper logbooks covering all of your training. As someone mentioned they want to read between the lines to spot checkride failures, etc.
The fact that you hold a cert, does not mean that employers will take that at face-value, there have been cases of fraud in the past. That's why pilots who lose their logbook are in such a world of hurt. It's the first logbook with all your training that's important. Once you are at an airline electronic records are fine for 121 flying.
They will also want to see paper logbooks covering all of your training. As someone mentioned they want to read between the lines to spot checkride failures, etc.
The fact that you hold a cert, does not mean that employers will take that at face-value, there have been cases of fraud in the past. That's why pilots who lose their logbook are in such a world of hurt. It's the first logbook with all your training that's important. Once you are at an airline electronic records are fine for 121 flying.
If an employer is concern with a pilot failing a checkride or checkrides, they should check with the FAA.
03-05-2010 | 04:02 PM
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Folks-
Just a couple questions on logbook etiquette for an interview with a regional carrier.
First off, a few months back I decided to go all electronic and solely use Flight Log Pro for logging. I've backlogged all of my flights into it and love all the features it offers. If I print off the entire thing, laminate, put in 3-ring binder, make it look nice, etc, would that be deemed acceptable? Obviously it does not have CFI signatures for dual received, but by virtue of the fact that I have the certificates I do, I figured that wouldn't be a problem. Has anyone gone with only computerized printouts? I'd really like to avoid having to go back and log hundreds of hours by hand that I already have in the computer.
Second, for the flights where I was acting as an instructor, in general all I have in the remarks section is the initials of my student. If something more noteworthy was given, I added it (signoff, BFR, etc) but the majority of flights just have initials in the remarks. Is this frowned upon? Will this present issues at an interview? I don't know how I could go back at this point and fill all of that out.
Any direction that could be provided would be greatly appreciated. Also, please note that I am not asking with regards to any specific interview, just in general for the future.
Thanks,
Just a couple questions on logbook etiquette for an interview with a regional carrier.
First off, a few months back I decided to go all electronic and solely use Flight Log Pro for logging. I've backlogged all of my flights into it and love all the features it offers. If I print off the entire thing, laminate, put in 3-ring binder, make it look nice, etc, would that be deemed acceptable? Obviously it does not have CFI signatures for dual received, but by virtue of the fact that I have the certificates I do, I figured that wouldn't be a problem. Has anyone gone with only computerized printouts? I'd really like to avoid having to go back and log hundreds of hours by hand that I already have in the computer.
Second, for the flights where I was acting as an instructor, in general all I have in the remarks section is the initials of my student. If something more noteworthy was given, I added it (signoff, BFR, etc) but the majority of flights just have initials in the remarks. Is this frowned upon? Will this present issues at an interview? I don't know how I could go back at this point and fill all of that out.
Any direction that could be provided would be greatly appreciated. Also, please note that I am not asking with regards to any specific interview, just in general for the future.
Thanks,
After going electric I'll never go back. If I were interviewing someone I'd rather have a neatly printed book with accurate times then the one in my desk with gobs of whiteout and chicken scratch
03-05-2010 | 04:03 PM
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Yes, you will certainly need all of your endorsements, Flight Reviews, etc.
They will also want to see paper logbooks covering all of your training. As someone mentioned they want to read between the lines to spot checkride failures, etc.
The fact that you hold a cert, does not mean that employers will take that at face-value, there have been cases of fraud in the past. That's why pilots who lose their logbook are in such a world of hurt. It's the first logbook with all your training that's important. Once you are at an airline electronic records are fine for 121 flying.
They will also want to see paper logbooks covering all of your training. As someone mentioned they want to read between the lines to spot checkride failures, etc.
The fact that you hold a cert, does not mean that employers will take that at face-value, there have been cases of fraud in the past. That's why pilots who lose their logbook are in such a world of hurt. It's the first logbook with all your training that's important. Once you are at an airline electronic records are fine for 121 flying.
03-05-2010 | 07:49 PM
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It turned out as a very positive review because their questions were on some of my flight remarks and I could tell the story of the flights from them. I got hired, so it couldn't have been too bad.
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