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Originally Posted by aviatorhi
(Post 778655)
Or it will push the "low paying" 15/hour jobs down to a Cape Air type environment (Cape Air=Good Company don't get me wrong here), but that's where someone should be starting, right seat of a light twin (402 to 1900 type airplane) with someone vastly more experienced in the left seat to show them the ropes.
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Originally Posted by Aztec1
(Post 778671)
Does Cape Air use two pilots on the 402s?
And that's all fine and good. Either way, the pilots here get two-crew experience. But, what about all the AirNet pilots, Wiggins, Ameriflight, etc.? Why are they excluded? They do a damn hard job and do a fine job at it. |
Short Version: Yes.
Longer Version: Usually on routes where it is "beneficial" and they also consider it a "feeder program", get good guys with good attitudes but short on time, put em in the right seat, train them up and put them on the line. Works well from what the people I know there tell me. Also, before people jump on this and say that the average 135 op isn't going to pay for the extra pilot, I bet you they would, low rate and they double as a ramper/loader/agent/fueler etc. So I bet Ameriflight/Wiggins etc. would probably be on board with that if they realized the benefits, 15/block hour is not a lot more than paying for another ramper to sit on the ground. |
Originally Posted by Diver Driver
(Post 778545)
The days of 250 hours direct to the right seat are rightfully over.
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Originally Posted by saab2000
(Post 778472)
The law of unintended consequences will undoubtedly come into effect here. When, in a few years, the regional airlines need to hire in significant numbers there will be very, very few pilots with the requisite experience.
What could this mean? Foreign pilots being imported en masse to operate US equipment. Don't think this can't happen? It happens all over the world. -These pilots would need to obtain a VISA with a work permit; this is not easily handed out by the U.S government; It can take YEARS for people to get this even after they have been in this country for a while -These pilots would need to pass the TSA security investigation. -These pilots would need to either convert or validate there certificates and I am pretty sure the commercial portion of this would have to be done with a Designated Examiner (checkride) either way. It depends what country the FAA has an agreement with, not necessarily the authorized agency. -As ATPCliff stated, foreign pilots make so much more than U.S pilots. Do you really thing these pilots are going to flood our market to join the ranks of our regionals? Give me a break… |
Originally Posted by Whacker77
(Post 778552)
Just so you know, I am not and was never an advocate of 250 hours direct to the right seat. Still, I think these types of government forced regulations place a terribly unfair burden on the airlines and those choosing to make piloting a career. My sense is this is just another in a series of moves designed to strangle general aviation and make airline flying the domain of military pilots.
It's true that 135 offers aircraft capable of flying in icing, but how realistic is it that these jobs will be available? There aren't that many right now and I doubt many will spring up because of this. When you consider the shadiness of some 135 operators and the requirements insurance providers place on some, I just don't see how it will work effectively and not cause a major pilot shortage. That's just my view and I know other will disagree with me. You will eventually find it comforting that not everyone will be able to come into the industry and undercut your livelihood...some will, but at least they will be more experienced and responsible, and have a higher opinion of their own professional and self worth. There is however some potential risk that there really will be a pilot shortage at the entry-level. Oh well...airlines will have to raise prices to attract pilots, which will drive away a few customers. The remaining customers and pilots will all be better off. |
To me the icing requirement is bogus.... I have flown in icing in every airframe I have flown in since I graduated UPT .... but I sure as hell didnt track it..... Perhaps a better idea would have been some indepth classes on icing, types of it, how it effects airfoils....etc.. et al.... followed by some good sim work .... but what the hell....
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Another thing to add would be that post 9/11 pilots are prohibited from the H1B visa program. Which is an employer sponsored visa. Previously air operator's could import foreign pilots pretty easily through this program.
It seems like ATP is what we mostly agree on. It would be great if they got rid of this SIC type BS as well. Change towards ICAO and require Type Ratings for Co-pilots!
Originally Posted by StrikeTime
(Post 778713)
This is one of the most pathetic theories I have read on APC. I have no clue how you came about such an idea with the ‘law of unintended consequences’ but lets look at all the requirements that need to be fulfilled by a foreign pilot to fly as a commercial pilot for hire in the United States:
-These pilots would need to obtain a VISA with a work permit; this is not easily handed out by the U.S government; It can take YEARS for people to get this even after they have been in this country for a while -These pilots would need to pass the TSA security investigation. -These pilots would need to either convert or validate there certificates and I am pretty sure the commercial portion of this would have to be done with a Designated Examiner (checkride) either way. It depends what country the FAA has an agreement with, not necessarily the authorized agency. -As ATPCliff stated, foreign pilots make so much more than U.S pilots. Do you really thing these pilots are going to flood our market to join the ranks of our regionals? Give me a break… |
Originally Posted by HercDriver130
(Post 778746)
To me the icing requirement is bogus.... I have flown in icing in every airframe I have flown in since I graduated UPT .... but I sure as hell didnt track it..... Perhaps a better idea would have been some indepth classes on icing, types of it, how it effects airfoils....etc.. et al.... followed by some good sim work .... but what the hell....
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This is good, let's see if it passes. 800 is better than commercial mins. And also let's see if they actually enforce it when they actually need more warm bodies and no one shows up.
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