Pinnacle PA's: Delta Flight xxxx
 

All,

Heard a rumor that Pinnacle Pilots are being instructed per FIF to drop the "connection" from any PA's and simply refer to themselves as "Delta xxxxx"

Any PCL pilots out there - is this fact or fiction?

Fact- and we don't know why.

Same coming at ASA. Delta has mandated this.

"One level of service".

Sounds like one level of false advertising, to me.

or multiple levels of confusion for passengers:rolleyes:

Because the words "connection" and "express" now mean poorly trained crew to the passengers. Just another step in bluring the lines between regionals and major carriers.

Next step will be identical uniforms and badges

.....and woefully different pay scales. :(

Unless I am flying DL equipment, get DL pay and benefits, I'll continue to say Connection.

Just saw where PCL will not be doing CHA in a few weeks. What's up wit' dat? But if I'm not mistaken there will now be 3 CRJ flights, which is a good thing.

It's the "DCI shuffle" all the delta connections are doing each others routes.

No word of this at Mesaba yet that I've heard of......

Yeah I still say operated by Mesaba Airlines. That's what's on my paycheck.

No dog in this hunt, but it seems like a potential greivance for Delta pilots if their scope states that Delta flying will done by Delta pilots on the Delta senority list, which I'll bet it does.

I swear if I have to give up my leather jacket to wear a Delta uniform, I'm gonna lose it!!!

And we have a winner!

Starting around May, the amount hours Pinnacle does to/from NYC should be greater or about equal to that in MSP. There are already more and more ATL/CVG flights.

They did (tried) this at ASA about 3 years ago. Nobody did it. It was the same argument then, as it is now:

"If you want me to look, talk, and act like a Delta pilot, you should pay me like a Delta pilot."

I hope they do grieve it.

While back I got into it, with presumably a Delta pilot, about how Comair is/isn't Delta. My argument was that I carry Delta customers on Delta owned planes that have Delta painted on the side. Our company follows Delta into bankruptcy (not because we had too) and makes concessions because Delta needs it. I don't intend to rehash this debate, but it seems as though Delta wants DCI to be Delta only when it is convenient for Delta.

It's just not right. For the customers and the employees.

I believe Compass Flight attendants recently got a read file that instruct them not to say Compass, operated by Compass, or Delta Connection, just Delta FLT XXXX

Here it comes again....
 

And the "B-scale" will have fully returned, this time to stay. The original B-scales weren't just aimed at paying some pilots less. Management knew that once these guys had reached a critical mass within the pilot group, their pressure to "equalize" wages would become irresistible. Redistribution of wealth would follow, permanently cutting top-end pilot compensation, which has always been a sore spot for non-pilot employees.

Flew on a Pinnacle, oh wait, I meant Delta flight today.... ATL-PWM, just over 1000 miles, CRJ900, cramed full, left people at the gate that wanted to go... Could not determine who the operator was, It was Delta 898.... all the literature/PA's in the plane said it was Delta, no mention of connection, P-nickle.... left from the A-gates in ATL right inbetween 2, 757s in mainline Delta colors.

I thought I was on a Delta flight, could have fooed me, and I knew better.:rolleyes:

I like the Scope angle, there might be something to that :D

I'll never understand this line of logic! You claim you'll say Mesaba because that is what your paycheck says. Well, the company that pays your check (Mesaba) instructs you to follow their rules, one of which is what to say over their PA system to the passengers. So, by your logic, you would say whatever they want you to say, since they pay your paycheck. In addition to that, the money they get to pay you comes directly from Delta Airlines - who is the one instructing Mesaba (possibly if it is to follow like the rest) on what they want said to their passengers! So tell me again, why do you get to decide what you will say?

Did I touch a nerve there? Settle down Nancy.

I concur...::filler::...

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Hmmmmm, so everyone is part of the pile, eh? Maybe an eventual American Eagle, part deux?

Truman where in the FOM does it say that I cannot mention Mesaba Airlines?? Please enlighten me. That is my employer and with whom my MEC negotiates with.

Um, I don't know whats in you FOM, but mine says I'm supposed to make the announcements that my company dictates. You clearly stated that you will continue to say Mesaba Airlines (instead of Delta flight if instructed) because it says Mesaba on your paycheck. It doesn't touch a nerve other than I don't get the logic. I try to do as the company that pays my check dictates....not just what I want 'cause I'm a tough guy rebel!

The other logic I don't get are the "pay me better and I'll comply with your rules" guys. When I made $5.00 an hour as a kid in the pizza shop, I followed their rules - or I expected to get fired.

I think if you want to get all high and mighty like this on a webboard you should get up and trot down to the nearest watering hole find the biggest guy, have a sip of his drink and kiss his girl....If this works out. Props to you. You would be the man for this...not because you preach on your soap box online.

Now i will be doing all of that because I just did the same thing...Pilot forums are the worst thing. Thousands of proud, "alway professional" alway correct people

There's nothing in my FOM that states that I can't say Delta Connection operated by Mesaba Airlines or just Mesaba Airlines. You have made too many assumptions tonight.

Never said pay me better and I will comply. Another assumption on your part. Our pilot group, though it has had it's share of growing/shrinking pains, puts out a very good product. We want to be paid better because of our professional standards. When our company slammed us during negotiations and later a sham bankruptcy we held our ground and did our job to the highest standard. I'm proud to say I work for Mesaba because of my fellow co-workers.

Delta might want to consider 14 CFR 257 before ordering Pinnacle or anybody else to mislead the public into thinking they are on "Delta" and not "Delta Connection".

Says the guy with the ACDC avatar. Nothing says "I'm a tough guy rebel" like an avid ACDC fan...

...Sorry, I couldn't resist the opportunity.

On United Express carriers, they've recently changed the announcements the FA makes to say United Express, proudly operated by blah blah blah.

Proudly?

Anyhow, so this is a 180 from what Delta's doing. Delta's trying to strip the identity of the regional and United is trying to emphasize it. Makes sense. So if you guys keep passengers on your a/c for over 3 hours and someone wants to sue, I guess they get to sue Delta?

Dudes! I am not trying to be high and mighty here! I simply said I don't understand the logic in the thinking that I am reading here. Some have stated they will only comply with certain things their companies require of them if they were paid better, and the other guy said he won't say 'Delta flight' if his company tells him to because his paycheck says 'Mesaba'. Again, I simply asked if Mesaba indeed pays his check, shouldn't you follow their rules? ESPECIALLY if the rule is mandated by Delta, who pays Mesaba to do the flights! This is how I look at it. If you all want to do it your way, go right ahead. But the logic you use to have an excuse does not make sense to me!

Ding!Ding!Ding! If I work at a McDonald's franchise (a tempting thought...) my paycheck doesn't come from McDonald's, but they still require me to say, "Welcome to McDonald's. You want fries with that?" Or else I lose my better-than-first-year-FO-paying job.

Is this even legal? You're supposed to be able to clearly know who operates and owns the aircraft you're on. Thats why it has to be painted on the side of the plane, why the registration and airworthiness have to be displayed in view of the passengers, etc.

All that, and then clearly saying you're on another carrier (which is the most influential and noticed method of conveying the information to the passengers)... just seems illegal.

Apparently the MEC has informed the company of exactly this.

Nu

Yep, and PWA 1D-7 might have a little leverage too!