Originally Posted by dashtrash300 (Post 792227)

I hope 1,500 TT and 1,000 Multi or even 1,500 Multi would be nice

Originally Posted by CFItillIdie (Post 791563)

And honestly, if they are not current on everything, the street is where they should stay. There have been a lot of people stuck in CFI positions that have been paying their dues. Just sayn'. I have a feeling it will be high...somewhere around 200-500 ME depending on the airline. TT somewhere in the ball park of 1000-1500. Just look at what Eagle has now. That should be a good indication.

Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 792432)

Hell, why not 5,000 TT and 3,000 multi? I am sick of these 1,500 hour wet-atp kid-wonders making it to the right seat of an RJ without paying their dues.

In all reality, high multi-time requirements is only going to draw the line between previous part 121 and non part 121 (which is a perfectly fine distinction to made, as all the previous topics have proven). 100-200 hours multi helps weed out those fresh commercials who bought their time and those who spent time hauling boxes or doing a couple hundred Vmc cuts with students in seminoles.

But 1,000 hours multi? How many pilots REALLY got hired with 1,000 or more hours multi? Eagle is hiring right now around 200-300 and there are 121ers on the street. I don't think we'll be seeing much higher than that.

Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 792492)

I did along with turboprop and jet experience, and a jet type rating. I was told by more than one in the training department I was really lucky to get hired because I was OVERQUALIFIED!!! I had too much time (though because I had very little turbine pic no major would interview me)

Originally Posted by Banshee365 (Post 792393)

Guy's, dumb it down just a bit. The basic idea is that airlines will lean towards picking from 121 experienced pilots when hiring first starts as there will be a surplus is pilots on the street that want jobs. As the street pilots tend to thin out and airlines still need a large demand of pilots their standards will adjust to allow them to get the ammount of pilots they need. For those of you without 121 experience instructing in Cessna's, you may have to watch the airlines suck up alot of 121 experienced guy's until they start to get more desperate as the 121 experienced pilots on the street thin out. A guy in 2007 hired to a regional with 380 hrs probably wouldn't have been hired in 2003-2004. It's simple supply and demand.

BTW to me, multi time is just to get the interview. Especially for those flying single turbine's and such. My $.02 ::flamesuit on::

Originally Posted by wmuflyboy (Post 792638)

and when do you think this is gonna happen? the way i see it, its going to be at least 2014 at the earliest.

Originally Posted by CFItillIdie (Post 791892)

Since I seemed to have started a flame war here on this thread, let me explain two things.

1) I know of way too many dudes who jumped on the bandwagon and got in the door who were the 500 hr wonders that are furloughed. Most of those dudes could not get a gig because they BURNED BRIDGES or they just could care less to instruct because it was below them. They are not doing anything to further their careers as pilots and belong on the street.

I hear it way too much on here that people are just casually collecting a check from the unemployment office, and sound like they could care less about finding any flying gig. My hats off to those who are in the trenches doing the right things they need to do (jump pilots, instructors, box haulers) to get their time in.

2) Don't assume that everyone on here who is a CFI is some young buck with acne who doesn't know how the industry works. I may not have RJ training, but I do have other training in my hip pocket that would help a great deal with RJ school. I know the difference between a 172 and a Jet, but thanks for your sarcasm. I am not going to sit here and discus my resume, because that would just not be polite. But I don't need any of you people to do a damn thing to walk in my resume, but thanks for the thought. And hell yeah I can fly the XXXX out of a 172...can you? Everyone on here needs to loosen up the belt just a little bit, myself included. This industry sucks, and if you don't have a back up plan, well then you are just in quicksand.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 792659)

Im personally really sick of reading this crap day in and day out... Its the same stuff over and over. You high time Airline pilots are always looking down your nose at those "Wet-ATP-Kid-Wonders" that make it to the right seat....


The airline must have saw some skill in that kid or he wouldnt have been there. If you dont like the industry then leave... If you had to have more hours to be hired than the current market that sucks sorry but i dont wanna hear you complain. I am only 20 years old, ive jumped hurdles and moved mountains to finish my flight training and ill be dammed if i let some bitter old capitain sit here and disrespect me and other young pilots by saying we havent payed our dues...Hell just finishing training is almost impossible nowadays, flight schools trying to rip you off, greedy examiners, bad weather, terrible economy, high fuel prices, bad hiring market, and to beat it all the more experiance pilots like some of you are so bitter you wont even look in the direction of a student pilot or a new pilot let alone help them or give them advice. You should be happy that we dont have to live off food stamps while waiting for a job....Im really sorry if you did, but now you are living your dream you should be stoked. Sounds to me like you are a bit immature to say stuff like that. Im sitting in a marketing office at an insurance company going insane behind a desk to pay my bills waiting for my chance to fly for an airline or cargo company, i have no clue what "dues" you are talking about but that is not in the job requirements sir you need to grow up.


As far as the minimums id say they are gonna be high to start off with just like everyone else. But as ive already learned newer pilots just need to hang in there our time will come.

Originally Posted by dashtrash300 (Post 792685)

The old time captains don't always ease up even if you are a 3-4 year FO. They look at those younger than 25 as babies. I have flown with several captains who have been a captain at the airline longer than I have been alive! These guys are ****ed off because for 25 years they have been flying 6 legs a day into crappy overnights with crappy airplanes at crappy wages. They complain about money and how $83 an hour is not enough to support their family of 5. They don't realize that they could be making double that at majors. For them, it is all about living where they want to live. Newport News, VA is a much "better" place in their opinion than Charlotte or Philly.

To a lot of these guys, the regional was their career goal. I remember in particular one captain who said that this regional was his career aspiration. He could live where he wanted to live and quickly be in the top 10 at the regional by the time he was 50. The point is, a lot of these guys who didn't get hired with the regional until they had over 5,000 hours and over 1,000 multi turbine PIC believe that no one else should get hired at that regional with less time. IMO, it may make them question whether or not what they did was right especially when someone with 250 hours has proven they can fly the airplane they worked so hard to get to 20+ years ago.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 792659)

Im personally really sick of reading this crap day in and day out... Its the same stuff over and over. You high time Airline pilots are always Always? Perhaps a generalization on your part? looking down your nose at those "Wet-ATP-Kid-Wonders" that make it to the right seat....


The airline must have saw some skill in that kid or he wouldnt have been there. Or maybe they just saw somebody who could legally fill the seat. If you dont like the industry then leave... Not always practical, especially in today's economy. Also, some might be staying to do their part to try and make the industry better. If you had to have more hours to be hired than the current market that sucks sorry but i dont wanna hear you complain. And who wants to hear you complain? I am only 20 years old, ive jumped hurdles and moved mountains to finish my flight training and ill be dammed if i let some bitter old capitain sit here and disrespect me Pot, meet kettle and other young pilots by saying we havent payed our dues...Hell just finishing training is almost impossible nowadays, flight schools trying to rip you off, greedy examiners, bad weather, terrible economy, high fuel prices, bad hiring market, and to beat it all the more experiance pilots like some of you are so bitter you wont even look in the direction of a student pilot or a new pilot let alone help them or give them advice. You should be happy that we dont have to live off food stamps while waiting for a job.... They're probably too busy worrying about their own situation to be happy about yours Im really sorry if you did, but now you are living your dream you should be stoked. More like, we are living YOUR dream. Our dreams have may have evolved a bit, hence not being so "stoked". Sounds to me like you are a bit immature to say stuff like that. Pot, I believe you've already met kettle. Im sitting in a marketing office at an insurance company going insane behind a desk to pay my bills waiting for my chance to fly for an airline or cargo company, i have no clue what "dues" you are talking about This may be part of the reason the old bitter captains don't respect you as much as you think they should. but that is not in the job requirements sir you need to grow up. Pot and kettle are best friends...


As far as the minimums id say they are gonna be high to start off with just like everyone else. But as ive already learned newer pilots just need to hang in there our time will come.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 792687)

I absolutely agree but being bitter is not the way to go... So you made a bad career choice in staying in the regionals, you get what you ask for. And as i said earlier as a young pilot it makes me angry to hear these older guys talk like that... its not my fault you had to live off of bologna and cheese and fly a caravan for 10 years to be hired, i feel for ya, but i dont and you should be happy that the industry is growing, instead of being bitter and high and mighty how about coming down to our level and sharing your knowlege. As i said if you arent happy in the industry then get out. No sense in acting like some little kid about it, you cant change it thats just the way it is.


The demand for pilots has went through the roof in the past 20 or so years. 340 million people in the USA and only 800k pilots...thats less that 0.5% of the population, With that little group and the big demand of airtravel and the addition of new airlines and planes there are gonna be people like myself hired that had less experiance than you did when you were hired.

Bad news for the older ones but the minimums will keep going down slowly until the FAA steps in and regulates it which will eventually happen. But that just means the industry is growing.

Originally Posted by Yzerman (Post 792689)

I'm gonna play devil's advocate/high time Airline pilot here... These statements may or may not reflect my personal opinion. I just want to give you something to think about.



Have a good day...

Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 792693)

Dude or dudette. People that have already jumped over the cliff are trying to yell to you from the bottom to not jump. Why is my gut feeling telling me that you're going to jump anyways? It's all part of a cycle and you're going to be part of it soon yelling from the bottom.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 792696)

Haha you can get angry if you want I'm personally not angry, and I don't understand why you think I am. Re-read the first part of the post, which states that the opinions offered may or may not be my own. I'm really just trying to help. I don't consider myself a high time Airline pilot, and I'm not a Captain. But I'm trying to help you think about things you may or may not know much about, and from a different perspective. If you don't appreciate it, that's OK; I tried. dont mind it, My opinions still stand. I apologize for the generalization, i will re-phrase. SOME airline pilots are bitter, and SOME older capitains are bitter.


The remarks about young pilots not being qualified is also a generalization, I personally agree and your remark about not leagally being able to fill a seat is a bit confusing to me, I doubt the airlines are illeagaly hiring FOs...They all have the appropriate raitings to be there. Re read that part as well. What I was saying was that, in some cases, the airline probably didn't hire low-time people because they were impressed with their skills. They hired them because they LEGALLY COULD fill the seat.

If they wanna better the industry they need to stop acting like this and start helping these "young" pilots become better. Fair enough, but there's a lot more to it than that.


As far as leaving the industry, if you arent happy where you are then leave, if its not practical and you cant then suck it up and wait til you can. But acting like a child isnt helping you.

Dont wanna hear me complain? Thats fair.. over look my posts then.

Worrying about their situtaion? Again sorry if your career didnt turn out the way you wanted to im sorry but not my fault, maybe im different but if i was homeless and saw a happy well off middle class family pretty sure i wouldnt be bitter at them just happy for em principle still stands.

And as far as your dreams. You wouldnt be here if your dream wasnt to fly, i dont care if you are making 25k a year or 100k a year you are flying a plane for money, that is my dream and at some point was yours, once again if your career isnt what you want...leave or suck it up and leave when you can

And again with the dues crap, listen i didnt fly a caravan for 10 years, i didnt apply to every airline for 10 years and live off of scraps of food. but i went through the same damn training as you and i just got lucky, now why the hell would that make you bitter? Again, I don't think I'm bitter. We don't even know each other. The statements from my previous reply were made in a general sense. Most of them don't reflect my personal opinion, but I'm sure they reflect the opinions of some people you will (and have already, it seems) encounter in this industry. There is no need to direct anything personal towards me regarding my career or what I think of it. If you were saying "you" meaning pilots in general, rather than me personally, then disregard the last statement.

And i dont think a capitain should just respect me but i do expect a professional pilot to be mature enough not to DISRESPECT me we are on the same team. Join the team first. Pass initial, your checkride, and OE. If you have a good attitude and can handle your duties competently, you will be respected. If not, then yeah the guy you're sitting next to has issues that have nothing to do with you.

My logic is spot on, it is simply silly to be bitter at up and coming pilots simply because they were hired earlier in their career or life than you.

Have a good day.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 792698)

My dream is to fly for a living, money doesnt affect that, i will invest and do what i need to make ends meat, maybe im better off than most i have been blessed with a Fiancee` that is a vet and some money already invested in some franchises. The power to better this industry is in the pilots hands it doesnt have to be a vicious cycle.

Originally Posted by Yzerman (Post 792711)

I guess I don't understand what you mean by bettering the industry. Is it just everybody respecting each other?

That's nice and all, but having guys/gals who are "better off than most" and are willing to do this job for whatever the company feels like paying, doesn't help the rest of the pilots improve conditions. It actually hurts.

Look, most (if not all) of us love to fly; if we didn't, we wouldn't be here. I totally agree with you there. But for many of us, it's our job, our career, our profession... One which we need to support ourselves, our families, etc. It's not a hobby.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 792698)

My dream is to fly for a living, money doesnt affect that, i will invest and do what i need to make ends meat, maybe im better off than most i have been blessed with a Fiancee` that is a vet and some money already invested in some franchises. The power to better this industry is in the pilots hands it doesnt have to be a vicious cycle.

Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 792734)

Take your aviation "hobby" and get it the heck out of my chosen career, you're "investments" have not proven fruitful enough for you to afford your own plane so clearly you NEED the money. It's [people] like you who help drag this industry and QoL down for the professionals that have to suffer through your lack of ethics.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 792696)

Haha you can get angry if you want i dont mind it, My opinions still stand. I apologize for the generalization, i will re-phrase. SOME airline pilots are bitter, and SOME older capitains are bitter.


The remarks about young pilots not being qualified is also a generalization, and your remark about not leagally being able to fill a seat is a bit confusing to me, I doubt the airlines are illeagaly hiring FOs...They all have the appropriate raitings to be there.

If they wanna better the industry they need to stop acting like this and start helping these "young" pilots become better.


As far as leaving the industry, if you arent happy where you are then leave, if its not practical and you cant then suck it up and wait til you can. But acting like a child isnt helping you.

Dont wanna hear me complain? Thats fair.. over look my posts then.

Worrying about their situtaion? Again sorry if your career didnt turn out the way you wanted to im sorry but not my fault, maybe im different but if i was homeless and saw a happy well off middle class family pretty sure i wouldnt be bitter at them just happy for em principle still stands.

And as far as your dreams. You wouldnt be here if your dream wasnt to fly, i dont care if you are making 25k a year or 100k a year you are flying a plane for money, that is my dream and at some point was yours, once again if your career isnt what you want...leave or suck it up and leave when you can

And again with the dues crap, listen i didnt fly a caravan for 10 years, i didnt apply to every airline for 10 years and live off of scraps of food. but i went through the same damn training as you and i just got lucky, now why the hell would that make you bitter?

And i dont think a capitain should just respect me but i do expect a professional pilot to be mature enough not to DISRESPECT me we are on the same team.

My logic is spot on, it is simply silly to be bitter at up and coming pilots simply because they were hired earlier in their career or life than you.

Have a good day.

Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 792734)

Take your aviation "hobby" and get it the heck out of my chosen career, you're "investments" have not proven fruitful enough for you to afford your own plane so clearly you NEED the money. It's [people] like you who help drag this industry and QoL down for the professionals that have to suffer through your lack of ethics.

Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 792748)

I agree.

If you can live with ****ty pay as a pilot because your fiancee has money, go work for ****ty pay in another field (oh say, mcdonalds) and fly GA on your spare time.

Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 792780)

Since you seem to have it figured out I hear Colgan is hiring.

Jump on in the water is fine.

I'm sure it will be everything you have been dreaming of.:D

Originally Posted by nigelcobalt (Post 793114)

My dream was never to fly. My dream was to make a decent amount of money while I happened to be in an airplane.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 793113)

I am not rich

my financial situation will allow me to take a pay cut for a few short years until things get better.

Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 793224)

yeah, good luck with that! That's what pilots said when they were in your shoes a "few short years" back

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 793113)

I should clarify all of this into one post...


I am not rich

I am not ok with current pay rates for pilots nor will i ever be... My remarks on my investments were in reply to someone warning me of the industry as it is now i was only explaining that my financial situation will allow me to take a pay cut for a few short years until things get better. This is no way means i support lower pay and am ok with it at all.

I got involved in this conversation when i saw a capitain say something disrespectful towards newer pilots.

If i have offended anyone and any point you have my apologies. I am not a problem to the industry because i share the same beliefs as all of you and i will be your biggest support in the fight for better rights for pilots as i am right now.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 792659)

Im personally really sick of reading this crap day in and day out... Its the same stuff over and over. You high time Airline pilots are always looking down your nose at those "Wet-ATP-Kid-Wonders" that make it to the right seat....I think the phrase is wet COMMERCIAL, not sure anyone dislikes a wet atp....


The airline must have saw some skill in that kid or he wouldnt have been there.Here again, he just had to be trainable and legal. If you dont like the industry then leave... If you had to have more hours to be hired than the current market that sucks sorry but i dont wanna hear you complain.It's been mentioned, but if you don't want to hear someone complain, why would they want to hear you? I am only 20 years old,So that college degree and life experience is really weighing you down then ive jumped hurdles and moved mountains to finish my flight training and ill be dammed if i let some bitter old capitain sit here and disrespect me and other young pilots by saying we havent payed our dues Those aren't dues, those are bills... big difference...Hell just finishing training is almost impossible nowadays, flight schools trying to rip you off, greedy examiners, bad weather, terrible economy, high fuel prices, bad hiring market, And all of that is cyclical so it's very possible those same captains had a similar bag in the 80's or 90's following recessions and to beat it all the more experiance pilots like some of you are so bitter you wont even look in the direction of a student pilot or a new pilot let alone help them or give them advice. You should be happy that we dont have to live off food stamps while waiting for a job....Im really sorry if you did, but now you are living your dream you should be stoked. The dream turns into a nightmare faster than you imagine Sounds to me like you are a bit immature 20 year old calling someone immature, that's pretty darn funny to say stuff like that. Im sitting in a marketing office at an insurance company going insane behind a desk to pay my bills waiting for my chance to fly for an airline or cargo company, i have no clue what "dues" you are talking about but that is not in the job requirements sir you need to grow up. And the fact you don't know what they are doesn't help your case.


As far as the minimums id say they are gonna be high to start off with just like everyone else. But as ive already learned newer pilots just need to hang in there our time will come.

Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 793256)

Then don't make it sound like you are.

Frankly if you don't know your [stuff] you're not gonna get any respect, a lot of these senior guys will get a feel for you from how you conduct yourself on the radio (are you the clueless FO who doesn't know how to request a clearance from a remote airport?), how comfortable you feel in the plane and how you know your systems... if you aren't dead on with your answers their potential respect for you (which is already reduced because they don't feel you've spent enough time cutting your teeth) will be reduced further, and first impressions make all the difference. These guys are ****ed, and rightly so, that someone can pay 70 grand and is willing accept sub par wages for years just so they can play pilot and do what these same guys spent their lives earning the right to do.

I know of an AirWis pilot or two who are at wits end telling AllATPs wonders or JetU types to "stop [messing] with the FMS and flying the [darn] airplane", only to have the FO look back at them like deer in the headlights, and if you conduct yourself on the radio and professionally similarly to one of these "FO Wonder Boys/Girls" you'll get the same treatment, like it or not.

Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 793267)

To start, I'm not angry even 1% so you don't need to project your anger on me.
The nice thing about youth is being so very sure you're correct. You might find that once you give up your anger and accept the situation, with the proper attitude you could learn something from those "bitter old captains" turns out they have a whole wealth of knowledge. The sooner you stop thinking they're "bitter old captains" and realize they just MIGHT know something more than you (shocking I know b/c you're 20 and know it all) the sooner you might be able to EARN their respect. It's a two way street, you don't respect them- surprise they don't respect you either. It's possible you'll still ride with some a-holes, I have but at least if you're trying to respect him and he just isn't respecting you, you took the high road and you can tell your fiance what a jerk he was when you get home.
Just my two cents, best of luck to you.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 793292)

However generalizing all young pilots into this group who went to a diploma mill is just rediculous, people already have an idea of me and my flying before i even sit down just because of my age that isnt right. .

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 793292)

Well i disagree that i made it sound like i was BUT again i apologize if i did.

However generalizing all young pilots into this group who went to a diploma mill is just rediculous, people already have an idea of me and my flying before i even sit down just because of my age that isnt right. And im sorry but those who DID go to a 70 grand school still earned a right to BE a pilot and its when you say things like "play pilot" that gets at me. Even though i did not even go to a 141 school it still makes me a bit angry that these guys are looked at that way... Not one student pilot that i have ever talked to takes this as a joke.

At any rate i can most deff understand a captains frustration, my girlfriends father is a captain at PSA Airlines and i have heard some horror stories from him about incompetent pilots getting the right seat, but he doesnt generalize them nor does he crucify then when they mess up he tries to educate them and help them out. and thats all im saying ALL captains should do.

Again my anger is directed at those who generalize all young pilots into a group of immature, incompetent, bad pilots.

Originally Posted by CFItillIdie (Post 791892)

Since I seemed to have started a flame war here on this thread, let me explain two things.

1) I know of way too many dudes who jumped on the bandwagon and got in the door who were the 500 hr wonders that are furloughed. Most of those dudes could not get a gig because they BURNED BRIDGES or they just could care less to instruct because it was below them. They are not doing anything to further their careers as pilots and belong on the street.

I hear it way too much on here that people are just casually collecting a check from the unemployment office, and sound like they could care less about finding any flying gig. My hats off to those who are in the trenches doing the right things they need to do (jump pilots, instructors, box haulers) to get their time in.

2) Don't assume that everyone on here who is a CFI is some young buck with acne who doesn't know how the industry works. I may not have RJ training, but I do have other training in my hip pocket that would help a great deal with RJ school. I know the difference between a 172 and a Jet, but thanks for your sarcasm. I am not going to sit here and discus my resume, because that would just not be polite. But I don't need any of you people to do a damn thing to walk in my resume, but thanks for the thought. And hell yeah I can fly the XXXX out of a 172...can you? Everyone on here needs to loosen up the belt just a little bit, myself included. This industry sucks, and if you don't have a back up plan, well then you are just in quicksand.

Originally Posted by asims33 (Post 793297)

Ok ill try to address everything here.

First off patronizing my life experiances and college degree as less than your own (I don't know that it qualifies as patronizing... I was simply mentioning at 20 it would be hard for you to have a 4 year degree and a huge amount of life experience.. that's not patronizing... that's MATH)does not help me look at your argument as logical and doing that all while calling me immature is a bit rediculous.

Im 20 so im automatically immature? (Not automatically)After all this talk of not generalizing and you make that statement? And i didnt say anyone was immature i said they were ACTING immature. Why does this have to turn childish?(It doesn't)

You can disagree with me if you like, thats your right. I have not generalized all captains into this "bitter old captain" stuff i was talking about so dont take that wrong. (I must have missed that part, sounded to me like most captains were bitter old men, my fault)And absolutely they do have a wealth of knowledge...If you just simply look back a few posts my argument was that they stop being angry at that guy in the right seat for being young and lucky and start helping him become a pilot that you could respect.

I do not think i know it all haha, you must have a child around my age.(I don't have any kids and if I did them being 20 would pretty much be impossible, 5 maybe... again that's math) You have me all wrong, i have read on these forums day in and day out people saying stuff like the wet-atp-wonders or play pilots or any of the others take your pick, and i am tired of seeing it so i made a comment on it.

20 years old or not my logic is dead on that it is plain silly to generalize all young pilots into a group that does not know what they are doing.(Agreed) Just like it is silly to generalize all captains into a group of bitter old guys. (Agreed)Granted we do not know everything because alot can only come from experi[E]nce that is where the captains come in, but some of us deserve the spot we sit in and some of us are plenty good enough.

I am not angry with you or anyone plesae dont take it that way.

Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 793303)

Look, just don't take it personally. I'm not an old crusty captain, but I'll tell you that flying with new FOs can be pretty frustrating. It's not that they're bad pilots; they just don't know the operation or the airplane very well. We've all been there. A good captain will be patient and will mentor the new pilot to make him better. There are plenty of captains who'd rather just sit there and whine, though.

That said, even patience goes so far. I've flown with several new FOs who flare the airplane like it's a 172, completely leveling off at 10'. My airplane doesn't have a cockpit door, so I've had to grab the yoke and push the airplane down onto the runway with passengers looking on. How professional does that look when I have to make a "save" in front of paying passengers? It looks terrible. That's what irks me when flying with a new guy. Not all are like that, but the few of those guys I've had to work with just make things look unprofessional. That annoys me.

Anyway, again, don't take it personally. Just work as hard as you can and be humble.