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Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 802920)

The problem is you are thinking as a smart person, not as airline management. This reminds me of how Colgan now teaches a Threat Error Management class which is mandatory for all pilots. It is supposed to teach pilots to identify threats in behavior and situations and break the chain before it becomes something much worse. They teach the pilots this but crew schedulers are still allowed to run wild with extensions, JRM, and 9 leg days...where is the Threat Error Management in that way of thinking?

9 leg days??? I thought 6 leg days sucked!

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Originally Posted by CaptKrunch (Post 802977)

9 leg days??? I thought 6 leg days sucked!

Its starts at 7 legs and then the extension to 9 legs. It is up to the pilot to man up and drop the F bomb because the company will do whatever the pilot will allow them to do.

Pathetic

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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 802813)

Yes, The course title is "Terminated."

The course feedback program is administered by the Unemployment Office.

:D You misunderstood my question.
Training that teaches you what to do after you have a mishap.
Not training after you have had a mishap ;)

USMCFLYR

@...hey it's Tom @. I'm #...um well we're going down the runway here in
uh Charleston, West Virginia, and we got a config flap config uh spoiler
and I rejected and uh well long story short um past the runway I'm into
that over thing you know where the airplane sinks into the— into it. uh so
now I don't know what the hell I'm supposed to do cause I've never
obviously had anything like this you know...yeah I'm sitting in the airplane
right now...yeah pretty— yeah yeah...yeah who do I call on that? do I call
chief pilot?

well okay I'm gonna tell you exactly what happened. um well yeah we
were— we were flaps eight okay? well uh # the data said flaps
twenty...and it was at eight so as we're going down the runway I kind of
noticed that so I put it to twenty and then we got config flaps probably I'm
sure because they were movin'. so i just figured # okay I'll stop. you know
I got config flaps config spoilers so like # you know so I tried to stop and it
# went—yeah. so you know how— how am I gonna #— so cause
obviously they're gonna come and look at all this # right? they're gonna be
able to see it...yeah...no hold on a second. hey everybody's fine right in
the back. hey is the gear—the gear hasn't collapsed or anything has it?

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Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 802735)

I heard that PSA management is more upset about the lack of "command authority" demonstrated by the captain after the accident rather than about the actual cause of the accident? Also that PSA is having captains take classes now on command authority.

PSA'ers, is this true?

Do you guys feel, in a comparison between ex-military vs. civilian background, that ex-military would have a stronger sense of command authority?

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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 802502)

It's official: Both pilots have been canned.

Just curious, how did the union feel about this? Sounded to me like the guy was probably pretty open with his mistake. I'd guess you won't find a safer, more by the book pilot for the next several thousand hours....

Sad that one incident torpedo's a career, you wonder how many office workers and other professionals have done something stupid and just moved on....

Bad choice, definately, worth getting fired? Not sure.

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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 803286)

:D You misunderstood my question.
Training that teaches you what to do after you have a mishap.
Not training after you have had a mishap ;)

USMCFLYR

I've worked for 2 regionals and have never had anyone even mention anything about what to do after a mishap. Not one word during new hire, recurrent, or upgrade. They spend too much time just getting you thru class and on the line. Faster you get online faster you make them money.

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Originally Posted by solinator (Post 803706)

Do you guys feel, in a comparison between ex-military vs. civilian background, that ex-military would have a stronger sense of command authority?

I would be curious to know if the PSA captain was ex-military. Not to get all up on Sully's lap but he was ex-military and showed better than anyone could have on what "command authority" is all about.

I feel that ex-military pilots as a whole demonstrate command authority better than civilian background pilots. Again, this is just my opinion.