Read again Dimwit! If you are basing things on one question and a single topic, then, you are definitely a dimwit pilot.

Lynx rates were sub par, I don't think that's being debated. The difference is that we were promised that they would not stay that way.

Seriously, I don't think anyone is really hating anyone because of where they work. I think some of the vitriol is in response to the hubris that is coming from SOME guys.

When you say single seniority list can pilots simply bid bases then move to them once they have the seniority regardless if they were hired for Republic, Shuttle America or Chautauqua. Can you move between all three freely?

And show me anywhere else where a fourth year guy makes the same as a twelfth year guy. "When the industry was slow", nice grammar. How about "that contract was signed back when the regional industry was experiencing a downturn. United pilots signed a contract under the duress of chapter 11 section 1113. Republic pilots signed a contract under the duress of stupidity. Apples and oranges.

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I hope you are enjoying that 37 dollars per hour. I'll leave it at that.

I think that will come as news to the Midwest pilots. I know a few interviewed last week and the week before but I haven't heard of anyone being told they were hired. So if these 27 have been hired and not notified and class starts in less than three days, nice operation you got going there. Seems to me that they are conveniently doing whatever it takes to make it so no Midwest pilots are hired. BTW, I know many of the Midwest guys said no when asked if they would sign the training contract.

Hey, try doing some research on contracts signed in the past before you come on here posting stuff that makes you look not very bright. That "original" RAH contract was signed quickly to prevent Bedford from creating an alter Ego airline when he bought the original Shuttle America. BB wanted separate pilot lists so he could get the whipsaw in action.

It's clear you don't know very much about the entire process, so maybe stay out of the conversation until you do. Move on. Thanks.

You can upgrade to any other certificate whenever you can hold it. As a CA, after a 2 year seat lock, you can change cert's as long as it's upgrade in pay/equipment. FO's are not free to change certificates. You can move freely in between bases within your own certificate.

So after the SLI, how would a recall work? Since you can't cross bid certificates as an FO, the only two certificates I'd even consider would be Republic and Frontier due to the bases.

Frontier? Seriously? The only FO's that may be going to an Airbus are some of the former Midwest guys, if they choose to stick around.

So, that leaves you with the Republic certificate. Republic is where most of the growth is obviously going to be happening, so I'd imagine most people will be given the option of Republic.

And Flyboyrw got neither!:D

I know you guys are getting your jobs taken. It sucks. Just remember that none of the pilots at RAH made those decisions. We know it sucks and don't wish harm on any pilot group. With that being said, let's try to act more like professionals when encountering eachother.

I know one thing, that as long as your airline grows at the expense of others because of your low cost contract you yourselves will one day go by the wayside when the next guy comes along willing to work for 36 dollars per hour. Just look at Comair. They grew at mainlines expense and when they became to costly the flying moved on to the next lowest bid. But maybe I'm wrong ,maybe their will be no one as foolish as you to sign on to 37 dollar twelve year copilots. You just keep thinking you did the right thing, the rest of us know otherwise. Oh and I already moved on, to an airline that pays its pilots well, has rigs, great work rules, etc. etc. Your welcome.

Thanks for that, after my furlough at Mesa, unemployment is getting tough. I need a job but want to hold out for something I do not have to commute for. I would rather work for less pay than commute for any regional. Plus I have flown with many commuters in the past that flew in on their day on then had to work a 14-16 hour duty day on top of that and I could tell it got to them. I honestly do think that commuting is somewhat of a safety risk but at the regional level I understand many do not have a choice. :(

Hang in there Airborne. It will get better. Best of luck to you.

Díck!!!! :D

I know F9 won't really happen...I just threw it out there because of the base.

Does not make much sense parking the Q400s.
Sorry to hear about that guys.

Whats going to happen to the Qs? I am sure they will not sit for long

Yeah it makes zero sense. It is a personal thing with BB, he feels better if he parks us. His reasoning is that pax don't like the Q and they prefer a jet. Well if that is the case, how come Horizon is doing ok?
Word on the street he is asking $100M for the whole Lynx package, which is way too much. He is afraid if someone buys Lynx, that they will use and expand Lynx, competing with him. He knows what the Q can do, and he is afraid to sell it to someone. The only place I see the Lynx Q's flying, is overseas.

I fley once as a passenger back when i was in school. Hands down its quieter and much more comfortable than our ATRs. Not to mention the great performance.

ANA i believe is still looking for Q400 guys
Also some1 in india just placed an order for the Q400

Disappointing to see these planes go. I"m sure there is a market in Denver for them.

It is sad sad to see the Q go. I liked it better than the CRJ.

"Proudly Chemtrailing the United States since 2007"

2007 huh, what were you doing before that? A previous post pointed out that our most senior pilots already had a fair amount of prior 121 (and 135) experience.

What will be decided is an unknown but it would not be an injustice if some of the Lynx pilots who choose to go Republic end up in front of you (career expectations). Before you get to upset by my statement remember we are a very small group (125) so it would not be that many, and the likelihood of a fair and equitable integration for the Lynx pilots, glass half empty time, is low.

Posting this again...

"Well, we'd all much rather be flying these 50 and 70 seat jets at a mainline carrier with better pay, work rules, and retirement. Unfortunately though you guys gave away my mainline job when you voted away scope. I can't take your flying, it was given to me even though I didn't want it."

Period

I'll post again. Not completely correct because much of the scope was relaxed through 1113 filings and bankruptcy judge rulings.

Has a schedule been posted as to when furloughs will occur? When is the next round and how many will be affected?

Don't worry we are in the process of taking it back.

I'm sure you like this idea... You overlook the fact that RAH was involved in the parking of Q's and 717's. This happens while your E-Jet fleet has been growing. Neither the Midwest nor Lynx route structures have gone away. They have been taken over and operated under the Republic system. In addition, this all is happening while other parts of the RAH system are retracting. Already the RAH pilots have achieved a Windfall. They are upgrading and expanding at the expense of other pilot groups. This is why their union doesn't make public statements about the screw job their management performed on the pilots of Lynx or Midwest. The IBT aid and abed the management of RAH in removing pilots and aircraft from the properties and in return they get upgrades and growth. However, I wouldn't expect anything less from a group that has been so taken advantage of by their own management time and time again. RAH pilots complain about how they badly they are treated by their management. Hey Captain Pot meet FO Kettle...

Really ? What are you waiting on ? What took you so long ?

I was a CFI and corp pilot. I would never get upset over something like this (I know who's decision it is). What happens happens and I won't be surprised at all if they do.

+1 Spot on.

Too late, the industry is already screwed because it was given up. You stated earlier that you are at such a great carrier with rigs and good pay but that means nothing because your scope language is worse than RAH's. RAH pilots are in the process of getting their pay and QOL upgraded in a new contract, so how is it that they don't get the chance to fix a sub par contract but you are justified by saying "don't worry we are in the process of taking it back" referring to your sh$t scope. RAH was a stepping stone like every other regional when their last contract was made and it does suck but so does yours wherever you work because you have allowed your company to farm out so much of your flying so you could make an extra couple of bucks. There would be no RAH if it wasn't for mainline pukes like you who gave up scope for a couple of extra bucks and now you realize your mistake but you blame it on young regional pilots who have no place else to go.
Your greed is the problem, so good luck taking back your scope, I hope for all of us that you succeed, but you sound pretty stupid so I'm not holding my breath.

Are you asking about Lynx?

Early April approx 40, mid April approx 40, early May small # with 40ish remaining. This is off the top of my head give or take a few ya know.

Good news is Lynx pilots are still picking up work outside of this mess.

Crazy Pills thank you kindly for saving me the 5 minutes out of my day by writing that one up. Could not have said it better myself!

While your statement is correct it only covers half the problem. A lot of scope was taken away from major pilots during chapter 11.

Regional pilots have a ton of blood on their hands as well. There is this funny theory called market economics that drives the value of all commodities including labor. You chose to value your labor at such a low wages and thus make it more tempting to airline management. If you and other regional pilots had said no, then the wages would have come up until sufficient pilots were found who would work at decent wages. Or better yet it would have been uneconomical to farm it out and it would have stayed at mainline.

Your desire to use RAH as a "stepping stone" and not care what you get paid is a big part of the problem.

Some pilots were indifferent, some were greedy, and some were ignorant. It doesn't change the fact that everyone had a hand in making it what it is today.

Truer words were never spoken.

Well we may have been stupid in giving up that flying but look who is doing it for alot less, with an absolute garbage contract....... now who is the stupid one? You guys gave your own store away to fly that big shiny jet. Your contract did not even have industry standard RJ rates which were already the norm. By the way you can say you are negotiating a great contract....blah blah blah. Until the ink is dry on it you are still the joke of the industry. I'm not surprised you don't pay Bedford for the priveledge to fly your big jets.

Actually enuff, you'll find that the RAH RJ rates were well within "Industry Standard" when they were negotiated. Sadly enough, they still are just about "Standard". Look around at the RJ payscales for 50-seaters and 76-seaters - you'll find that RAH's rates are (distressingly) well within the normal range. Among the many failures of the current contract were that it didn't differentiate between types - only on number of seats, and the pay scale topped out with an "## and up". The idea that RAH got where they are because their pilots underbid everyone else to get the company moving is fiction. Republic still operates on a crappy-but-middle-of-the-road regional contract. They got where they are because mainline kept throwing money at a management team with megalomanical tendencies because it saved them cash in the short term.

Each side in this discussion can throw the "Gave Away Your Store for Shiny Jets" argument - I still remember that bull**** from over at UAL when management flat-out to the pilot group that they could bring the RJs on property, but that would mean fewer big, shiny 777s. We all know how that turned out. Everybody's living in a glass house.

+1 ..... Have to agree with you.

Republic EXCO worked with BB to "lock-out" the pilots getting industry average wages/work rules/benefits to replace them with industry low wages/work rules/benefits.

Remove the corruption. Vote FAPA.