Lynx killed off part 2
 

Not much has been said about the Lynx furloughs, maybe it's mixed in with the other Frontier/Midwest/Lynx/Republic threads, but I thought it deserved it own.

First wave of layoffs for Lynx Aviation today - The Denver Post

The first group of furloughs a few weeks ago made up mostly of volunteers went mostly unnoticed, but the good people will be missed.

The second group the last couple of days has been really sad for all. The Frontier rampers and gate agents at the east end of A concourse have shed a few tears with us, the place is a ghost town now.

On the positive side we've had pilots move on to Virgin, Air Tran, Eagle, corporate, etc. Some have interviewed with Colgan and Republic (despite RAH wanting them to sign a 2 year contract).

On the negative, to the Republic 170 crew who openly complained on freq. about having to park on the east end in your "big jet" grow up and be thankful that the people handling your aircraft actually gave a s--t about the company they worked for. Nuff said.

Any of these pilots? Do the pilots have recall rights when RAH is hiring?

I wonder if Ms Lindsey Purves is aware that there is currently a Seniority List Integration arbitration in progress, and that she is not the Arbitrator......

To clarify, are the Lynx pilots eligible for inclusion in the pilot seniority integration process?

for the love of god...


YES!!!

They don't act like it, do they? They seem determined to muddy the waters even more than anyone thought possible.

We have presented our case to the arbitrator... who knows how it will turn out. The Midwest FA's weren't given any recall rights by the NMB so nothing is logical or fair about this mess.

So for the love of god...

PROBABLY!!!

Turns out 1/3 of the Lynx pilots opted to take Voluntary layoffs in this horrible job market rather than see Lynx get driven into the ground by RAH management. Then looking at the waiver form RAH expects us to sign to get our Frontier severance package... justifies my voluntary. Good luck to the crews sticking it out this summer... you guys deserve better.

Sounds like a good deal though for Lynx pilots, they get to be stapled at the bottom of something that's sure to be an amazing airline in the future. :o

Meaning? .................

.......twelve year F/O's making 37 bucks an hour... real amazing. [edit]

Republic Sucks...Shuttle Sucks.... Chataqua Sucks... As my captain said earlier today, "the only thing keeping me from slashing their tires is my extreme professionalism"

Oh Sorry...shots 4, beers 5.

Your're drinking and posting on a aviation forum??? :cool:

1. we dont have 12 year FOs and our pay scale only goes up to 4 years.

2. our contract was written and signed before a single jet over 50 seats was on property.

3. Almost the entire lynx group was hired after the most junior person on our list. So if given "date of hire" most would be at the bottom of the list regardless.

4. we have been told that 9 Lynx pilots (along with 27 midwest) have been hired and will be given "temporary seniority numbers (at the bottom)" until the SLI is complete and then have an "adjusted seniority number" when the arbitration is complete.

Echo echo echoooooooooooooo echoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Seems like the same things from us gets repeated on here.

Jealousy is the root of all evil. Everyone ewants to hate us and that's cool. Bring it!

Jealousy is the root of all evil... although it is true, did you learn that from one of your fearless leaders company emails?

Is this at the Republic Airlines operation? Is this separate fron the hiring going on at Shuttle America? Do the Chitauqua pilots have the chance to bid on new openings at the other certificate holders? *** kind single seniority list is this?

No hiring going on. Just recalls. Recalls are now coming from the XY and Lynx guys now. We can move between certificates, but certain rules must be followed.

I was hired May 07... and their were two classes before me. According to APC the Jr CA on your lists were hired Jan 07. Even DOH doesn't put us after the most jr person on your list... most jr CA maybe. I don't know what the arbitrator will decide, but I wouldn't bet on DOH.

We did have some FO's that were furloughed from RAH that were called back. I hadn't heard of anyone going to RAH as a new hire (after they wanted a two year training contract?) but if they were hired I'm glad they found work.

There is hiring going on. People who have never had a seniority number are being called.

DOH isn't based on the most junior CA. I'm no CA and I was here before Lynx even existed. So yes DOH would probably put Lynx after the most jr person. What's the most senior DOH at your company?

Thank you. You pretty much beat me to it. How can they expect a Lynx or Midwest person to sign a two year contract as a new hire when you wouldn't have to via the SLI?? I'll wait and see what the arbitrator decides...I want the ability to bolt the minute I find something better.

So what you're saying is that if you were to buy a comapny like Virgin America they should go at the bottom because they didn't exist when you were hired??? There's more to it than just date of hire. If you guys want DOH for us so bad then how about you give it to Midwest too.

Let me spell it out clearer for you... Our first class was Jan/07 and your most Jr CA was hired Jan/07... so if we were integrated based on DOH our Sr pilots could bid for the next upgrades and possibly get it? The previous poster said all of lynx was hired after all of the RAH pilots were hired. Maybe when the bulk of FO's were hired... but not all below the most Jr RAH FO. The first 2 classes averaged 8+ yrs 121 but were tired of commuting. So now we are all to be FO's and commute to the East coast? No thanks.

So you guys agree ALL Midwest pilots should get DOH too?

You guys would still be a little short of holding Capt here based on the hire dates given. I don't even know why all of you toss around your opinions on what is fair or isn't with respect to integration. It's out of our hands. I'm just chilling and "que sera sera". Personally, not that it matters, I've always thought date of hire with no bump or flush was fair. However that only being the case when all sides bring aircraft with them. In this situation there aren't going to be a whole lot of Q or 717 seats.

No, there is hiring going on. Going from Lynx to RAH is not a "recall." People have "interviewed" but I am not sure if anyone has taken it. I sure hope not, with that BS 2 year contract, that should be waived to the Midex and Lynx people who choose to go to RAH.

Don't make the mistake that I'm talking about how I think integration should go. Not voicing my opinion at all. Honestly with my job here, trying to start my side business, and several other things there's simply no way I'd have the time to completely assess the situation. My response was in direct response to yours. For some reason you're mentioning the most junior CA and then saying DOH should be used. I was simply pointing the fact that most FO's here have more longevity than any CA there. You should broaden your scope if DOH is your reasoning.

You think I used DOH reasoning? Nope. I tried to leave my sarcasm out when I said "I wouldn't put money on DOH"... maybe thick sarcasm would have helped. I was correcting a previous posters incorrect knowledge of when myself and other unemployed Lynx pilots were hired. Doesn't matter what WE think about integration anyway.

BB told Lynx "I will grow Lynx or combine you with another certificate". F9 was told "I will keep your operation separate". Midwest was told their pilots would be flying their routes. Excuse us for being edgy.

I apologize then I think I misunderstood your post. Just thought I'd add a little clarification(guess I didn't). Free beer on me still :)

Okay I stand corrected..... first year $21
second $31
third $34
fourth $37
fifth $37
sixth-twelfth $37

Absolutely amazing. And there is no excuse for the "we didn't have jets, and we have no twelve year F/Os" mentality. That pay scale is an embarassment and an insult to every airline pilot flying today.

Yes it is an insult to every airline pilot flying today. It wasn't when it was negotiated though. You also have to look at other items included in the contract that are invaluable like a single seniority list.

BB says a lot of things. But as long as he goes to Confession and says his penance before he takes Communion he is still guaranteed a place in Heaven.

As for the "new hire" Lynx and YX guys, BB will say penance and be forgiven by God for that, too. RAH management never ever does anything they don't think will result in immediate cost savings.

Chance- Albert Einstein said that the definition of insanity is repeating a behavior expecting different results. It is already too late on this thread, but you should stop anyway.

Then don't work there dimwit!

I wouldn't offer Yabadaba free beer if I were you....unless you are really hot or you have a $hit-ton of money. Just sayin'

Sounds like the talking points of Mesa guys when they ended Freedom. I don't think anyone out there buys the whole we only had 50 seaters when we signed the contract because the language allowed up to 99 seats.

You're speaking a little prematurely, wait until your branded flying actually turns a profit. By the way, nice touch, don't hold back on showing the world how pompous you guys really are, you've only ruined a couple of thousand families.

So with this mentality, I should hate American Airlines for buying TWA and ruining my family. Also I should hate Southwest for running the fares so low that American cannot compete and recall my parents. Gotcha..... that makes complete sense now. Well I guess I should not like all the other airlines for ruining other people families like mine and never jump seat on them again, because they are all horrible people and should be judged by who they fly for. silly me.

Don't worry about the training contract, because they have not enforced it since I’ve been here. Not sure how HR was at Lynx, but at Republic they’re not very organized. I’m sure you could come up with a creative name to use... BTW the Jan 07 upgrade is on reserve in GRR, on the 135. Good luck

So if that is an embarrassment, how would you explain the lynx rates? Last time I checked, RAH emb 135 captains make more than lynx 70 something seat Q400 captains,or at least about the same.

And that pay scale is virtually every regional pay scale contract signed back when the industry was slow. Lynx people chose to go fly for sub rah rates in 2007 when everyone was hiring. Southwest captains make 200k a year to fly a 737, United guys make 120k to fly an airbus virgin america even less, how about go express your outrage at them.

Look at the original thread response by minimum wage. He clearly states that the Lynx guys will have a great future at Republic. And as far as you being a DL/NWA 74 captain I highly doubt that. I looked at your previous posts about looking for work at Fedex and UPS and your only other posts refer to Republic issues. I guess dimwits can dream though.