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Captain Tony 05-22-2010 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by djrogs03 (Post 815404)
I have to say that is the funniest thing I've heard all day, tell me why Delta would sell one of the best performing regionals in XJ...the stats don't lie, XJ and CZ are always in the top 5 with completion factor and ontime performance...just don't see why Delta would get rid of a good thing here...

personally I think the rebranding is because when people used to see that ASA logo on the side of an RJ coming towards the gate it always represented a late arrival or departure...this gives em a fresh start?

Simple. Comair is on the chopping block to be liquidated to pay off the LEX losses. Mesaba and Compass would be the remaining wholly owned carriers. They want to eliminate the Compass flow through, so they will be shutting down Compass and selling the assets. That leaves Mesaba, and it's not worth keeping one small wholly owned, so they will be selling them as an airline the way they did with ASA. SKW Inc has proven they can run a good airline, so Delta knows their feed is secure.

Rogue24 05-22-2010 07:14 AM

Tony;
Yep, and those 76 seat jets would be a great carrot to use to renegotiate the FFD contracts that SKW and ASA have. If not that, then 2 for 1 on a ton of 50 seat jets.

Lot of you are hearing something is up, I am just giving a guess. Markets improving and DAL wants to get out of the WO business. None of that is secret.

Justdoinmyjob 05-22-2010 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 815424)
They want to eliminate the Compass flow through, so they will be shutting down Compass and selling the assets.

Nice theory, but the flow remins in effect with whoever buys Compass. Because of that, by keeping them in house, Delta can control the interviewing and hiring process.

Keep in mind who "they" are too. Are you referring to "They" the company, or "They," the faction within the union who wanted to get rid of Compass?

Captain Tony 05-22-2010 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 815430)
Nice theory, but the flow remins in effect with whoever buys Compass. Because of that, by keeping them in house, Delta can control the interviewing and hiring process.

Keep in mind who "they" are too. Are you referring to "They" the company, or "They," the faction within the union who wanted to get rid of Compass?

That's why Compass will be shut down and liquidated, not sold. Delta (both management and the union) want to get rid of the flow through. It was never theirs to begin with, since NWA created it.

Rogue24 05-22-2010 07:24 AM

Um not if the jets are awarded somewhere else and the certificate is not transferred. It is very gray at best. Read the LOA. It is in the DALPA file library. They are referenced in the PWA. LOA 2006-10 and 12 and one in 2008.

It states in the LOA the flow becomes unavailable, and it does not state how, so there may be some interpretation that needs to be done. It also will go back to the negotiators notes for the intention of the wording. I would venture to bet that dissolving the carrier was not one of their intentions behind that wording.

Of course this could be way off, and they just sell them so that they can give ASA pilots a flow too.

Justdoinmyjob 05-22-2010 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 815436)
Delta (both management and the union) want to get rid of the flow through. It was never theirs to begin with, since NWA created it.

That is just flat out wrong. Got proof? Certain factions within the union want it gone, not the whole union. And if you are talking about the splitting off of the Compass pilots from DALPA representation, it wasn't to get rid of the flow, it was because members of the MEC thought that there would be DFR issues if Compass was merged into the mainline group. Then, the DALPA MEC would be negotiating with itself on an SLI.

duvie 05-22-2010 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Golden Bear (Post 815342)
Hmmm... Interesting. When I google "SkyWest Inc" the first two links lead to the SkyWest Airlines website, the third is the Wikipedia article that states: "The following is strictly personal conjecture and may have no basis in fact as per the wikipedia bylaws." ;)

Quoting wikipedia as a factual source is about as pointless as arguing on an internet forum

JetJock16 05-22-2010 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by willi075 (Post 815377)
No they don't.

Find me an airport in Delaware that has airline service.

lol...................sorry, I forgot Delaware was still a state. :rolleyes:

80ktsClamp 05-22-2010 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 815436)
That's why Compass will be shut down and liquidated, not sold. Delta (both management and the union) want to get rid of the flow through. It was never theirs to begin with, since NWA created it.

No matter what happens to CPZ, the flow remains. Sorry.

RiddleEagle18 05-22-2010 02:56 PM

I love all these guys talking on behalf of delta management without any source.

I will tell you I spoke 1 on 1 with the man in charge of compass crew planning and delta DOES like the flow. They intend to keep it and that is why they have now taken over half of the interview process at compass. Compass interviews will consist of a written and cog test in ATL and an HR interview in MSP.


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