The E190 and CSeries are two completely different aircraft. The CSeries can carry up to 145 pax and the order for the initial 40 is a confirmed order.

Agreed. It's shameful and disgusting what happened to the Midwest folks. But it was management who did it, not the pilots still flying while this new deal works itself out. I apologize for any of the pilots from RAH who come on here
criticizing FAPA for looking out for the interests of the Frontier pilots. Call me captain obvious but that's what individual unions are supposed to do.

Nevermind....

Embraer is already going to make something bigger....and a "confirmed" order doesn't mean jack

BB and WH knew what they were doing. They killed 3 birds with 1 stone.

1. Got BB into a position to be a major.......feeding his megalomaniac self

2. Side benefit was SLI puts off even further having to settle a new contract whereas he KNEW arbitration would happen and it would be dragged out. No brainer.

3. Gets an unspecified time extension beyond the 2007 contract amendable date to continue to pay his pilots joke wages before having to agree to something better.

All in all shrewed business moves completely on the backs of his employees. He and WH stepped on the ant hill and are laughing at the thousands of ants trying to figure out what to do.

They signed a purchase agreement. I'm no lawyer but from the articles it sounds like a done deal. Also they were able to take advantage of finance options only available to them by going with CSeries.

although i havent seen specifics bedford did mention that the deal is cost neutral untill the airplane fliies and i am sure their are clauses that allow RAH to withdraw the order if the airplane is delayed. The whole thing is nothin more than a bluff to get Embraer to build a bigger 190 type of airplane. its the same thing united did by saying they were talking to usair.

Come on Captain obvious, can't you see what is obvious?

Nobody is saying FAPA shouldn't be looking out for their own pilots. But what part of whip/-saw do they not understand? Delaying or trying to put off all together a seniority list integration is foolish and is certainly not looking out for their own pilots.

If I understand it correctly, what FAPA is trying to do actually makes sense for them. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but they are not trying to remain permanently seperate, rather delay the SLI implementation until the end of the LOA they signed upon the purchase of Frontier. I believe this agreement is good until 2015. This gives them a windfall when (if) the C-series ever comes along. If its a replacement aircraft, it will have to go on the F9 cert (according to the LOA) and the frontier pilots will fill every seat. If they are growth aircraft, it will ensure that nearly every F9 pilot will upgrade before any Republic/midwest/lynx pilot get a shot at that seat. If the sli is implemented before those aircraft come on board, it will be a vacancy bid and anyone with enough seniority can hold it. I would expect FAPA to look out for their own and at least to me, that is what is occuring here.

I haven't seen anything that suggests FAPA wants to remain permanently seperate, just a delay. While I do not think this will be possible, as the LOA violates the Republic scope, I understand why they'd try. The major downfall to this is that the midwest and lynx pilots would not be integrated until the expiration of the frontier LOA if the arbitrator rules in favor of FAPA.

The final ruling from the arbitrator just got a lot more complicated. Will be very interesting.

You are assuming the C-Series will be placed on the F9 Certificate... whithout SLI you can count on those planes being placed on the Republic Certificate and the F9 guys getting whipsawed to shreds...