Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 818397)

If I understand it correctly, what FAPA is trying to do actually makes sense for them. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but they are not trying to remain permanently seperate, rather delay the SLI implementation until the end of the LOA they signed upon the purchase of Frontier. I believe this agreement is good until 2015. This gives them a windfall when (if) the C-series ever comes along. If its a replacement aircraft, it will have to go on the F9 cert (according to the LOA) and the frontier pilots will fill every seat. If they are growth aircraft, it will ensure that nearly every F9 pilot will upgrade before any Republic/midwest/lynx pilot get a shot at that seat. If the sli is implemented before those aircraft come on board, it will be a vacancy bid and anyone with enough seniority can hold it. I would expect FAPA to look out for their own and at least to me, that is what is occuring here.

I haven't seen anything that suggests FAPA wants to remain permanently seperate, just a delay. While I do not think this will be possible, as the LOA violates the Republic scope, I understand why they'd try. The major downfall
to this is that the midwest and lynx pilots would not be integrated until the expiration of the frontier LOA if the arbitrator rules in favor of FAPA.

The final ruling from the arbitrator just got a lot more complicated. Will be very interesting.

Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 818553)

Exactly. Read this Airdale.

Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 818397)

If I understand it correctly, what FAPA is trying to do actually makes sense for them. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but they are not trying to remain permanently seperate, rather delay the SLI implementation until the end of the LOA they signed upon the purchase of Frontier. I believe this agreement is good until 2015. This gives them a windfall when (if) the C-series ever comes along. If its a replacement aircraft, it will have to go on the F9 cert (according to the LOA) and the frontier pilots will fill every seat. If they are growth aircraft, it will ensure that nearly every F9 pilot will upgrade before any Republic/midwest/lynx pilot get a shot at that seat. If the sli is implemented before those aircraft come on board, it will be a vacancy bid and anyone with enough seniority can hold it. I would expect FAPA to look out for their own and at least to me, that is what is occuring here.

I haven't seen anything that suggests FAPA wants to remain permanently seperate, just a delay. While I do not think this will be possible, as the LOA violates the Republic scope, I understand why they'd try. The major downfall to this is that the midwest and lynx pilots would not be integrated until the expiration of the frontier LOA if the arbitrator rules in favor of FAPA.

The final ruling from the arbitrator just got a lot more complicated. Will be very interesting.

Originally Posted by planediveguy (Post 818549)

You are assuming the C-Series will be placed on the F9 Certificate... whithout SLI you can count on those planes being placed on the Republic Certificate and the F9 guys getting whipsawed to shreds...

Originally Posted by airbill (Post 818660)

Makes perfect sense...


...and they might as well change their call sign to "Whipsaw."

Originally Posted by Airdale (Post 818817)

The only think I ask, is that when Republic pilots are forced to take over routes at Frontier, that not a single person labels us a SCAB for taking THER JOBS. When every last Frontier pilot is on the street because they were outsource by our cheap "Regional" labor, I will not be labeled a scab. Ya'll have your chance.

Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 818851)

If the arbitrator chooses to honor the Frontier LOA, then the C-series will go on the F9 certificate. There is almost no chance of this happening though. Its a last ditch effort by FAPA to come out on top in this thing. The arbitrator COULD delay implementation until a common contract is ratified. If thats the case, 2015 may be aiming high. The company will drag their feet for 10 years on a new contract if they're able.

Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 818886)

Listen kids...I don't think anyone is going to get excited about this whole SLI process. Us RAH folks think it's gone on long enough, FAPA obviously sees something they don't like, and management is probably laughing all the way to the bank. The simple fact of the matter is you don't invade Russia in the winter and you don't fight a war on 2 fronts. Valuable resources are being used aruging amongst ourselves when RAH should be using them on a new contract. A contract that we should be getting the assistance from our more experienced FAPA coworkers but aren't...cuz they don't want anything to do with us.

The simple fact of the matter is that 2 lists working under 2 contracts is only good for the company...not any of the pilot groups. I'm not advocating some hastily thrown-together decision that does not recognize the role F9 pilots have played in keeping their company afloat...but I also think that they are not really recognizing just how untenable their position was before RAH came along.

Originally Posted by FLEX (Post 818911)

Nice spin. So your saying that FAPA has sided with RAH management because they just won't do whatever the IBT wants. Here I thought the problem was the IBT was to cozy with RAH management.