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gtechpilot 06-04-2010 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 821556)
I see some people talking about being part of the 56 on the list. Is it 42 or 56? Did I miss something?

The company stated that there will be 42 recalled - the notice was sent to 56 and so far at least 12 of us bypassed (35 accepted). Not sure if they'll sent out more notices if more people bypass. Guess we'll find out on Monday.

selcal 06-04-2010 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 821556)
I see some people talking about being part of the 56 on the list. Is it 42 or 56? Did I miss something?

The recall is for 42, however they sent out 56 letters to account for those that will bypass or decline.

damn. beat by a minute

selcal 06-04-2010 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by gtechpilot (Post 821599)
The company stated that there will be 42 recalled - the notice was sent to 56 and so far at least 12 of us bypassed (35 accepted). Not sure if they'll sent out more notices if more people bypass. Guess we'll find out on Monday.

What all was said in the conference call?

gtechpilot 06-04-2010 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by selcal (Post 821601)
What all was said in the conference call?

Got a company email this afternoon from DD with all the responses listed.

Av8trix 06-04-2010 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by selcal (Post 821601)
What all was said in the conference call?

PM sent
..........

ZDub 06-04-2010 12:37 PM

If this has already been posted, apologies. On DLNet today......

June 4, 2010





Delta Connection carriers are adding pilots to their rosters to prepare for more flying this summer as Mesa Air operations wind down.

Delta reached an agreement last month with Mesa Air to keeping flying commuter flights during a gradual wind-down process through August. Other Delta Connection carriers will add operations during the transition.

“While we are working closely with Mesa on a smooth transition schedule for their aircraft to leave the operation in the fall, additional hiring at each of the carriers is required to meet the high summer demand, increased utilization and backfill of those routes,” said Don Bornhorst, v.p.-Delta Connection.

Atlantic Southeast Airlines said this week it is recalling 42 furloughed pilots this month. The Delta Connection carrier is adding four CRJ-700 aircraft to its fleet, which now includes 160 aircraft.

Compass Airlines has announced plans to immediately begin hiring at least 50 pilots this summer to backfill anticipated attrition because of Delta’s hiring plans. Compass operates a fleet of 36 Embraer E-175 jets, with crew bases in Minneapolis/St Paul, and Detroit.

Comair said it will recall at least 70 pilots and 40 flight attendants who had been furloughed.

afterburn81 06-04-2010 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by selcal (Post 821600)
The recall is for 42, however they sent out 56 letters to account for those that will bypass or decline.

damn. beat by a minute


Interesting.........:rolleyes: Wonder what would have happened if no one bypassed. I could see that happening but I guess we know that's not the case. So what happens on Monday?

gtechpilot 06-04-2010 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 821805)
Interesting.........:rolleyes: Wonder what would have happened if no on bypassed. I could see that happening but I guess we know that's not the case. So what happens on Monday?

Monday's the deadline for accepting/resigning/bypassing. Or resignation by default by failing to fill out the form! With another 19 who haven't responded, I'm curious now if they'll fill all 42 spots or if they'll have to send another round of letters.

djrogs03 06-04-2010 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by ZDub (Post 821615)
If this has already been posted, apologies. On DLNet today......

June 4, 2010





Delta Connection carriers are adding pilots to their rosters to prepare for more flying this summer as Mesa Air operations wind down.

Delta reached an agreement last month with Mesa Air to keeping flying commuter flights during a gradual wind-down process through August. Other Delta Connection carriers will add operations during the transition.

“While we are working closely with Mesa on a smooth transition schedule for their aircraft to leave the operation in the fall, additional hiring at each of the carriers is required to meet the high summer demand, increased utilization and backfill of those routes,” said Don Bornhorst, v.p.-Delta Connection.

Atlantic Southeast Airlines said this week it is recalling 42 furloughed pilots this month. The Delta Connection carrier is adding four CRJ-700 aircraft to its fleet, which now includes 160 aircraft.

Compass Airlines has announced plans to immediately begin hiring at least 50 pilots this summer to backfill anticipated attrition because of Delta’s hiring plans. Compass operates a fleet of 36 Embraer E-175 jets, with crew bases in Minneapolis/St Paul, and Detroit.

Comair said it will recall at least 70 pilots and 40 flight attendants who had been furloughed.


You know i find it a little stupid on Delta's part to post this and then not post anything about the 250+ guys that are about to be furloughed at Mesaba because of getting rid of the Saabs...

surreal1221 06-05-2010 08:28 AM

"...additional hiring at each of the carriers is required to meet the high
summer demand, increased utilization and backfill of those routes,”

Hiring huh? That's quite different than recalls there Don.

Captain Tony 06-05-2010 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by surreal1221 (Post 821982)
"...additional hiring at each of the carriers is required to meet the high
summer demand, increased utilization and backfill of those routes,”

Hiring huh? That's quite different than recalls there Don.

When has that buffoon ever gotten the story straight? What does the VP of "Delta Connection" actually do anyway? There is no company called "Delta Connection". It is nothing but a brand! Why do they need a specific VP to put out press releases? Typical Delta inefficiency. No wonder Airtran is killing them.

PinnacleFO 06-05-2010 09:32 AM

and in other news, Pinnacle continues not to hire for god knows what reason.

Spoilers 06-05-2010 02:44 PM

Sorry if this has already been discussed...

What are your current recalls getting in terms of ground/sim training and how long have these furloughs been out on the street?

Banshee365 06-05-2010 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 822061)
Sorry if this has already been discussed...

What are your current recalls getting in terms of ground/sim training and how long have these furloughs been out on the street?

Can't answer your first question. But, the guys/girls coming back were notified of their furlough on the day ATL had it's busiest day in history with an effective date in Nov. I think. So, what, 7 months or so?

ZDub 06-05-2010 03:37 PM

Spoilers - Good bid, but you left out Poet Lauret, veterinarian and General Council to Brittish Petroleum. And where did you get that avitar....priceless.

Bug Smasher 06-05-2010 03:53 PM

The effective date on all recalled furloughs was Sept. 1 2009.. 9 months on the sidelines. I just started my recurrent ground training online, then there will be a day of HR stuff, 2 days of RGT classroom, then a few (projected 2) sim sessions, a PC and IOE until deemed competent by the instructor.

Banshee365 06-05-2010 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Bug Smasher (Post 822085)
The effective date on all recalled furloughs was Sept. 1 2009.. 9 months on the sidelines. I just started my recurrent ground training online, then there will be a day of HR stuff, 2 days of RGT classroom, then a few (projected 2) sim sessions, a PC and IOE until deemed competent by the instructor.

I wasn't even close! I have no idea why Nov is stuck in my head. When was the first round effective? Feb I think?

johnso29 06-05-2010 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 821984)
When has that buffoon ever gotten the story straight? What does the VP of "Delta Connection" actually do anyway? There is no company called "Delta Connection". It is nothing but a brand! Why do they need a specific VP to put out press releases? Typical Delta inefficiency. No wonder Airtran is killing them.


Ummm, perhaps you didn't notice that AirTran has DECREASED their flights in and out of ATL? I don't think you can say AirTran is killing Delta.:rolleyes: The two airlines aren't even comparable because of their completely different business/operating plans.

Also, did you read the part of the memo that says Compass WILL be hiring? Pure fact, not inaccuracy. And I also believe he referred to each airline by their name, and called Atlantic Southeast a 'Delta Connection' carrier. Also, Atlantic Southeast is a part of Delta's inefficiency or efficiency.

Justdoinmyjob 06-05-2010 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 822100)
Ummm, perhaps you didn't notice that AirTran has DECREASED their flights in and out of ATL? I don't think you can say AirTran is killing Delta.:rolleyes: The two airlines aren't even comparable because of their completely different business/operating plans.

Hey Johnso29, do you know what the Airtran loads are for Narita, Beijing, Paris, Moscow, and Heathrow?

johnso29 06-05-2010 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 822130)
Hey Johnso29, do you know what the Airtran loads are for Narita, Beijing, Paris, Moscow, and Heathrow?


I'm thinking all of them are 0 seats available because there are 0 flights available.:p

Airtran must be killing Delta on those flights. :rolleyes:

Captain Tony 06-06-2010 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 822100)
Ummm, perhaps you didn't notice that AirTran has DECREASED their flights in and out of ATL? I don't think you can say AirTran is killing Delta.:rolleyes: The two airlines aren't even comparable because of their completely different business/operating plans.

Also, did you read the part of the memo that says Compass WILL be hiring? Pure fact, not inaccuracy. And I also believe he referred to each airline by their name, and called Atlantic Southeast a 'Delta Connection' carrier. Also, Atlantic Southeast is a part of Delta's inefficiency or efficiency.

Hook, line, and sinker...

Bug Smasher 06-06-2010 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Banshee365 (Post 822097)
I wasn't even close! I have no idea why Nov is stuck in my head. When was the first round effective? Feb I think?

Feb 8 or 9, 2009.

somertime32 06-06-2010 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Bug Smasher (Post 822256)
Feb 8 or 9, 2009.

Bug Smasher is right, 1st day for the 1st round was Feb 9th 2009

johnso29 06-06-2010 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 822227)
Hook, line, and sinker...

Because I proved your inaccurate statements wrong with facts? :rolleyes:

N2Core 06-06-2010 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 822336)
Because I proved your inaccurate statements wrong with facts? :rolleyes:

I think he is talking about something else...

AtlCSIP 06-07-2010 06:51 AM

How many?
 
Any idea of how many of those sent letters actually accepted recall? Is ASA going to have to send out additional letters?

gtechpilot 06-07-2010 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 822700)
Any idea of how many of those sent letters actually accepted recall? Is ASA going to have to send out additional letters?

As of last night, 38 accepted, 12 bypassed and 6 have not responded.

resetjet 06-07-2010 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by gtechpilot (Post 822731)
As of last night, 38 accepted, 12 bypassed and 6 have not responded.

Final list shows 16 bypasses. Looks like some more letters will be going out.

broncoflyer8912 06-07-2010 06:07 PM

Heard some of the furloughs are choosing bypass, because they know they probably will have to go to IAD or be on the 200. Seems kind of presumptuous to me.

WstCstCmtr 06-07-2010 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by broncoflyer8912 (Post 823070)
Heard some of the furloughs are choosing bypass, because they know they probably will have to go to IAD or be on the 200. Seems kind of presumptuous to me.

As long as they aren'T complaining then it's ok!

gtechpilot 06-07-2010 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by broncoflyer8912 (Post 823070)
Heard some of the furloughs are choosing bypass, because they know they probably will have to go to IAD or be on the 200. Seems kind of presumptuous to me.

Personally, I'd be really surprised if I didn't end up in IAD if I hadn't bypassed. Had better reasons to do so and I would bet that no one made that their sole reason for choosing to bypass either!

gtechpilot 06-07-2010 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by resetjet (Post 822899)
Final list shows 16 bypasses. Looks like some more letters will be going out.

Congrats to those who made it back! Hopefully the company will offer up the two remaining spots!

Bustin 06-09-2010 12:27 AM

A lot of the bypasses are probably due to the fact that they're making more money doing something else. I'd milk that too as long as I had a seniority number. Might as well wait until the rest of the furloughs are called and get yourself back to poverty for the shortest amount of time. Just makes sense doesn't it?

captain beefy 06-09-2010 12:32 AM


Originally Posted by Bustin (Post 823680)
A lot of the bypasses are probably due to the fact that they're making more money doing something else. I'd milk that too as long as I had a seniority number. Might as well wait until the rest of the furloughs are called and get yourself back to poverty for the shortest amount of time. Just makes sense doesn't it?



......wait a minute...people can make money outside aviation? Embry-Riddle never told me that!

afterburn81 06-09-2010 03:38 AM

Anyone have any idea when these 42 pilots are scheduled to be trained and back on line? Makes no sense to me with the position notice showing the vacancy for 10 CA and 10 FO on the 700/900 and 4 total vacancies for the 200 for a total of 24 vacancies system wide. Not sure if anyone has any details as to when the 4 aircraft will be added to the schedule. They never really said anything with certainty.

ASAnotASAP 06-09-2010 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 823710)
Anyone have any idea when these 42 pilots are scheduled to be trained and back on line? Makes no sense to me with the position notice showing the vacancy for 10 CA and 10 FO on the 700/900 and 4 total vacancies for the 200 for a total of 24 vacancies system wide. Not sure if anyone has any details as to when the 4 aircraft will be added to the schedule. They never really said anything with certainty.

The first recall class started today. The 4 Horizon airframes are shown going into service in the middle of July as 70 seaters (no first class).

gtechpilot 06-09-2010 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 823710)
Anyone have any idea when these 42 pilots are scheduled to be trained and back on line? Makes no sense to me with the position notice showing the vacancy for 10 CA and 10 FO on the 700/900 and 4 total vacancies for the 200 for a total of 24 vacancies system wide. Not sure if anyone has any details as to when the 4 aircraft will be added to the schedule. They never really said anything with certainty.

Class dates offered were June 9, 14, 22 and July 5. I lost my email on this so don't quote me but I think training was to be brief - a little less than two weeks. Four days of ground and four sims if I remember right.

Trip7 06-09-2010 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by ASAnotASAP (Post 823735)
The first recall class started today. The 4 Horizon airframes are shown going into service in the middle of July as 70 seaters (no first class).

Looks like the mainframes are going to be former SKW 700s, which were former ASA(701 etc)

FL410 06-09-2010 07:08 AM

Spoke with a friend who spoke with a union guy. It looks like ASA may be getting atleast 4 of Qx's RJ's.

bender 06-09-2010 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 823750)
Looks like the mainframes are going to be former SKW 700s, which were former ASA(701 etc)

That would be news to SkyWest


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