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Old 07-01-2010 | 12:06 PM
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how about a good ole fashioned sick out
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Old 07-01-2010 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by flapsfail
Listening to the conference call last night was a waste of time. Our mec seems to keep emphasizing that there is nothing else we can do. I think there is a lot more they can do. They don't want to get in trouble in fear of a work action viloation but you could advise the group to flythe book, write up any mx item, discourage picking up open time...you get the idea. Now they are scrambling to do somethign like picketing. When was the last time we did that? There should have been more pressure on the comany the whole time. What a joke

So, we get no contract but we aquire mesaba....seems fair. Keep up the good work guys, the bonuses this year should be real nice for our execs.

Sorry mesaba guys, you've been pinnaclized...be sure to bring that dr's note in if you call in sick....
ASA showed us that HAVOC, short for not flying broken airplanes works.
Do a search and you will find 1001 broken items on an airplane that are well within your right and duty to put in the logbook. If this means the outstation then so be it.
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Old 07-01-2010 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
Do the research, and you'll see GWB was too busy being brought up to speed on being president to deal with a Comair strike. He'd only been in office two months.

If the NMB had determined that the Comair strike would cause "significant harm" economically to a region, then LIKELY a PEB would have been set up. Unless they state that, a PEB isn't even an option.

Hinting that Bush would let 9E (or anyone else) strike is about as flawed as assuming Obama will automatically let it happen.
There were 5 airline strikes under the Bush administration. And there were two others where the cooling off period expired but neither party exercised their right to self help before reaching a settlement.
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Comair's 2001 strike was on GWB's watch...
Not technically true. Yes, Bush was in office, but his NMB wasn't in office yet. The Clinton NMB was still in place and calling the shots when the Comair group was released.
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Old 07-02-2010 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by flapsfail
Listening to the conference call last night was a waste of time. Our mec seems to keep emphasizing that there is nothing else we can do. I think there is a lot more they can do. They don't want to get in trouble in fear of a work action viloation but you could advise the group to flythe book, write up any mx item, discourage picking up open time...you get the idea. Now they are scrambling to do somethign like picketing. When was the last time we did that? There should have been more pressure on the comany the whole time. What a joke

So, we get no contract but we aquire mesaba....seems fair. Keep up the good work guys, the bonuses this year should be real nice for our execs.

Sorry mesaba guys, you've been pinnaclized...be sure to bring that dr's note in if you call in sick....
Like I said before, you guys have a very strong partner with the XJ guys. They do not mess around. They have been through this before and will get the best possible outcome. No one needs to do anything other what they were hired to do. Many XJ guys do what they need to do to get things done and do it very unselfishly. I will give you an example.

In December 2007, XJ released a memo threatening to fire people if they released the brake early as they saw it as pilots stealing money by getting on the clock. XJ pilots followed the rules exactly. Did they stop making an extra couple minutes on every flight.....Yup. But guess what happened to on time performance. It tanked in a very big way because the ramp has never been staffed to actually get everything out on time by the book. Rule repealed immediately.

I suggest 9E guys take the same approach. Will it cost you extra money? Probably. Will it be a pain? Yes it will. But it is the only way management teams will ever learn. We all know corners are cut at both Pinnacle and Colgan and it needs to stop. Fly by the book and take your days off to have some fun. If things are broken, write them up without regard to where you are. Safe taxi speeds at all times and do not drop a brake until everyone (including the ramp) is ready to go. If you need a bathrooms break...take it. If you need to go get food...get food. If you are too tired after 12 hours and they want you to do one more quick turn...call in fatigued. I guarantee you this will start to fix problems. The minute everyone starts to play by the book......it will force management to due the same.

9E pilots have already been caught talking about how they cannot wait to get all the jets so they can upgrade and leave the XJ guys to the props. This is probably the worst attitude anyone could have and they need to be put in place. It will start a bitter war between pilot groups and no one will win. (look at America West and US Air).

By the way, when is 9E going to go public with their contract issues. When was the last time they picketed? I know there was one a year ago. They need people picketing weekly. Sometimes it seems like you guys really don't even want to fight for a good contract.
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Old 07-02-2010 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
No matter who is serving the Kool-Aid, it is always poisoned:

Airline Strikes Under the RLA


Jim Jones lives on.......
Your link shows that during the last Dem administration, 2 major airlines were allowed to strike (AMR,NWA), AMR twice!! It kinda kills the arguments on this thread that a major airline would NEVER be allowed to strike, don't you think? Oh, and btw, now that the NMB rule change is the law of the land, look for that % union number in this industry to creep up from 46% to near 50%. The Obama NMB just put a damper on your decling union theory.
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Old 07-02-2010 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
Your link shows that during the last Dem administration, 2 major airlines were allowed to strike (AMR,NWA), AMR twice!! It kinda kills the arguments on this thread that a major airline would NEVER be allowed to strike, don't you think? Oh, and btw, now that the NMB rule change is the law of the land, look for that % union number in this industry to creep up from 46% to near 50%. The Obama NMB just put a damper on your decling union theory.
"Drink my children, drink!" Jim Jones

The Kool-Aid is just the same, regardless of who is doing the pouring. Learn that and you might make some progress.


Once you understand that organizing does nothing to create jobs, you might be able to venture out to the fresh idea that a strong economy gives the most people the best chance to do well. This is not to say anything against unions, but to underline the point that putting the cart ahead of the horse won't get you very far. The petty political arguments are completely useless without the fundamentals of a strong nation and a strong economy. Politicos can do almost nothing to create this situation, but they can do a great deal to harm or cripple advancement in this area.

Logical argument to refute this point is impossible. There is a lot of Kool-Aid being poured though, on all sides.

Finally, the facts show a decline in private sector union membership has been going on for over 60 years, this puts to rest the lie that any flavor of Kool-Aid has been helpful and makes it quite clear that our position among world economies is the most important factor in both the number and types of jobs available. It helps not at all to have the best wages and working conditions in the world when you are furloughed or your company or country sinks into failure.

You want to believe that a particular flavor of Kool-Aid will bring you prosperity, but the truth is that the people pouring it have trundled prosperity out the back door while you were savoring the imagined goodness.

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Old 07-02-2010 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Clocks
I believe any change in the status quo is an illegal work action.
Flying strictly by the FAR's, FOM, and CBA is not a work action, it's called doing your job.
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Old 07-02-2010 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
Finally, the facts show a decline in private sector union membership has been going on for over 60 years
This trend has reversed in the last few years. Union rolls are growing. Thank God.
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Old 07-02-2010 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocks
I believe any change in the status quo is an illegal work action.

Depends on if you're labor or management. I'd call changing an attendance policy a change to the status quo. Apparently, the NMB sees otherwise.....
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