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bigtime209 07-02-2010 06:40 AM

Colgan Lowering Minimums?
 
I've heard that Colgan is lowering its minimums to 900/75. Anyone else hear the same?

Spoilers 07-02-2010 06:59 AM

Not sure if they are lowering their mins, but I get the feeling they are getting desperate, which should tell you something, especially right now in this economy and plenty of qualified pilots on the street.

Hugh Jarse 07-02-2010 07:16 AM

How come there is no chat about the Colgan . Mesaba merger announced yesterday?

Outlaw2097 07-02-2010 07:18 AM

Still doesnt matter if youve had any kind of failure in training...

Milk Man 07-02-2010 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 835897)
I've heard that Colgan is lowering its minimums to 900/75. Anyone else hear the same?


Where did you hear that? I could ask, but I'd rather have something solid before I do ask

Jkurtfly 07-02-2010 07:37 AM

Colgan and Mesaba will merge, but it will take at least two years. All three unions want one senority list and be able to transfer between certificates. Colgan is working on getting our pilots on the street into their classes for now with out giving up senority rights. Just some info from the XJ union call last night. I'm sure more info will be released at the appropriate time. thats all for now.

skywatch 07-02-2010 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by Jkurtfly (Post 835920)
Colgan and Mesaba will merge, but it will take at least two years. All three unions want one senority list and be able to transfer between certificates. Colgan is working on getting our pilots on the street into their classes for now with out giving up senority rights. Just some info from the XJ union call last night. I'm sure more info will be released at the appropriate time. thats all for now.

The transaction is a continuation of a consolidation trend in the regional sector and positions Pinnacle as a strong player in the field with ultimately an operation for jets and another for turboprops. For now, however, Pinnacle, with about 7,700 employees, will continue to operate three subsidiaries – Pinnacle Airlines Inc, Colgan Air Inc and Mesaba Aviation Inc. The idea is to merge Mesaba and Colgan. Mesaba would be the surviving carrier because it has the infrastructure to support a large turboprop airline, according to Trenary. Colgan also flies for Continental, US Airways and United.
"Over the longer term, we anticipate that we can enhance efficiency and growth opportunities … by reorganising around two operating airlines," said Trenary. "Our intent is to combine the regional jets under Pinnacle Airlines and the turboprops under Mesaba Aviation. However, there are many complex issues to be addressed, and this will take time."


Delta contributes to US regional consolidation - selling Mesaba and Compass | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation - CAPA

X Rated 07-02-2010 08:15 AM


Mesaba would be the surviving carrier because it has the infrastructure to support a large turboprop airline, according to Trenary.
I thought this amusing...

IMHO, this is a ValuJet buying AirTran and assuming the latter's name to get rid of negative press.

X

neffre 07-02-2010 09:04 AM

I emailed Ashley Hodges asking about the minimums because I saw it lowered on airlineapps but nowhere else. She said the minimums are still 1000/100 and no more than 2 failed checkrides.

CFItillIdie 07-02-2010 09:20 AM

Airline apps has it at 900/75 and HR is saying it's still 1000/100...someone needs to check their memo's...it sounds to me like they are not all on the same page.

The Juice 07-02-2010 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by CFItillIdie (Post 835966)
Airline apps has it at 900/75 and HR is saying it's still 1000/100...someone needs to check their memo's...it sounds to me like they are not all on the same page.

I understand your point but if you have 1000/100 it might as well be 900/75, both are not that competitive unless you have a strong internal rec.

frmrdashtrash 07-02-2010 10:33 AM

If you've got an internal rec from Colgan, I'd question that friendship....

Milk Man 07-02-2010 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by frmrdashtrash (Post 836003)
If you've got an internal rec from Colgan, I'd question that friendship....

thats funny

Hatrick32 07-02-2010 10:49 AM

Can someone please PM me Ashley Hodges email or tell me where I can find it. I got an email from Chuck Colgan last week to call him but have yet to get a hold of him. Thanks

Luv2Rotate 07-02-2010 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Hatrick32 (Post 836019)
Can someone please PM me Ashley Hodges email or tell me where I can find it. I got an email from Chuck Colgan last week to call him but have yet to get a hold of him. Thanks


I see you're a BE1900 guy chopping at the bit to join Colgan... Must be a Laker :D

jedinein 07-02-2010 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Hatrick32 (Post 836019)
Can someone please PM me Ashley Hodges email or tell me where I can find it. I got an email from Chuck Colgan last week to call him but have yet to get a hold of him. Thanks

Look on the website, call the number, and ask to speak to the appropriate person. Sometimes the person answering just might solve the problem. :cool:

Hatrick32 07-02-2010 04:34 PM

Not a Laker, I fly 135 for a company out of Vegas. Just looking to move on from the Grand Canyon game

BillyBaroo 07-02-2010 06:08 PM

If someone has less than 1000/100 and two failures, they probably should not be trying to apply to the airlines just yet IMHO

crazyjaydawg 07-02-2010 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by BillyBaroo (Post 836205)
If someone has less than 1000/100 and two failures, they probably should not be trying to apply to the airlines just yet IMHO

You have to have 1000/100 and no more than two fails, a person could meet two of those three and possibly be ready for the airlines.

BillyBaroo 07-03-2010 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 836216)
You have to have 1000/100 and no more than two fails, a person could meet two of those three and possibly be ready for the airlines.

Just making a comment from page 1, and was more of an objective statement on my part. To each his own.....however......my point was that if you have failed two check-rides, and only meet the minimums of 1000/100, one maybe should think about gaining more experience before leaping into a higher performance aircraft......but each situation is unique, and up to the hiring panel.

Joepa84 07-03-2010 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Hatrick32 (Post 836019)
Can someone please PM me Ashley Hodges email or tell me where I can find it. I got an email from Chuck Colgan last week to call him but have yet to get a hold of him. Thanks


same thing, they wanted me to call before noon. Never got a hold of anyone, I guess we'll will miss the interviews they had scheduled for the 6th and 7th.

crazyjaydawg 07-03-2010 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by BillyBaroo (Post 836441)
Just making a comment from page 1, and was more of an objective statement on my part. To each his own.....however......my point was that if you have failed two check-rides, and only meet the minimums of 1000/100, one maybe should think about gaining more experience before leaping into a higher performance aircraft......but each situation is unique, and up to the hiring panel.


Ahhhh I gotcha...and I concur

mooney 07-03-2010 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by BillyBaroo (Post 836205)
If someone has less than 1000/100 and two failures, they probably should not be trying to apply to the airlines just yet IMHO

What an idea!.......fill your bucket of experience before you empty you bucket of luck.... time building and making mistakes you didn't get a chance to learn from yet in a high performance tprop flying 70 people around! Billy you would make a terrible JetU marketing director :)

BillyBaroo 07-03-2010 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 836497)
What an idea!.......fill your bucket of experience before you empty you bucket of luck.... time building and making mistakes you didn't get a chance to learn from yet in a high performance tprop flying 70 people around! Billy you would make a terrible JetU marketing director :)

Yeah, but a heck of a risk manager:rolleyes: wink wink, footstomper

captain152 07-05-2010 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by frmrdashtrash (Post 836003)
If you've got an internal rec from Colgan, I'd question that friendship....

Of course ... Colgan will never been good enough ... Pinnacle will never be good enough ... #$%*#* will never be good enough. All the pilots here at Colgan suck at life because they made the worst career decision possible. No one will ever move on because our company is so bad. We only hire the worst pilots we can possible find (sarcasm anyone??). Blah, blah, blah, blah. Just so we're clear, we ALL understand that EVERYONE apparently hates Colgan and Pinnacle. Our payrates are horrible, we don't have a contract, our management sucks ... etc.

We all understand that the ONLY respectable regional airlines out there are those that pilots will STILL CONTINUE to talk **** about regardless of the quality of contract, strength of the pilot force, management purity (oxymoron, I know). It doesn't matter who one works for, it'll never be good enough until one moves onto the major airlines. I have yet to read a thread on here about ANY regional carrier, whether it's classified as a "regional" or "major" by the DOT, that did not have some sort of negative connotation to it. And more of then than not, it's the SAME people on here that post the negative comments :rolleyes:

DISCUSS... ;)

FerrisBluer 07-05-2010 05:30 AM

so this is who we are?
 
our future is bleek. :cool:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...09_468x277.jpg

iPilot 07-05-2010 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by FerrisBluer (Post 837139)

*Chief pilot walks by* That counts as crew rest! *runs off*

TurboDog 07-05-2010 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 835981)
I understand your point but if you have 1000/100 it might as well be 900/75, both are not that competitive unless you have a strong internal rec.

Colgan is obviously not looking for competitive times being that they probably couldn't even get applicants with a sign on bonus. I bet you get a call within minutes if you have exactly 1000/100. Like was said before, it should tell you something when we have thousands of pilots still on the street and they are willing to change their lifestyles and go without, before applying with Colgan. Just saying.....

DL31082 07-05-2010 10:30 AM

I have 1240/ 206ME. I have them on my airlineapps but haven't heard a peep. Granted I'm not trying that hard to get on with them either.

frmrdashtrash 07-05-2010 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 837123)
Of course ... Colgan will never been good enough ... Pinnacle will never be good enough ... #$%*#* will never be good enough. All the pilots here at Colgan suck at life because they made the worst career decision possible. No one will ever move on because our company is so bad. We only hire the worst pilots we can possible find (sarcasm anyone??). Blah, blah, blah, blah. Just so we're clear, we ALL understand that EVERYONE apparently hates Colgan and Pinnacle. Our payrates are horrible, we don't have a contract, our management sucks ... etc.

We all understand that the ONLY respectable regional airlines out there are those that pilots will STILL CONTINUE to talk **** about regardless of the quality of contract, strength of the pilot force, management purity (oxymoron, I know). It doesn't matter who one works for, it'll never be good enough until one moves onto the major airlines. I have yet to read a thread on here about ANY regional carrier, whether it's classified as a "regional" or "major" by the DOT, that did not have some sort of negative connotation to it. And more of then than not, it's the SAME people on here that post the negative comments :rolleyes:

DISCUSS... ;)

I can't think of any respectable regional, for that matter, few respectable airlines in general.:D I know I can't afford to work at either company.

GunnerV 07-06-2010 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by X Rated (Post 835934)
I thought this amusing...

IMHO, this is a ValuJet buying AirTran and assuming the latter's name to get rid of negative press.

X

Bingo !



More charactors...

Burlcfii 07-07-2010 11:21 PM

i got a email from chuck colgan saying the minimums are 1000/100 so i would figure thats still the case.

AxialFlow 07-10-2010 05:57 PM

The potential newhires should be asking themselves how a Mesaba/Colgan merger will affect the pace of upgrades...and is this a place you want to spend alot of time at slinging gear???

Looks like the only thing Colgan had to offer (relatively quick upgrades) is about to go away.

brewpilot 07-12-2010 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 839815)
The potential newhires should be asking themselves how a Mesaba/Colgan merger will affect the pace of upgrades...and is this a place you want to spend alot of time at slinging gear???

Looks like the only thing Colgan had to offer (relatively quick upgrades) is about to go away.

Not much different anywhere else

FlyJSH 07-12-2010 01:33 AM


Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 839815)
The potential newhires should be asking themselves how a Mesaba/Colgan merger will affect the pace of upgrades...and is this a place you want to spend alot of time at slinging gear???

Looks like the only thing Colgan had to offer (relatively quick upgrades) is about to go away.

These are questions (along with what is the future of the company) that every applicant at every company should be asking. Unfortunately too many people only look for a job offer.

donkedPilot 07-12-2010 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 839815)
The potential newhires should be asking themselves how a Mesaba/Colgan merger will affect the pace of upgrades...and is this a place you want to spend alot of time at slinging gear???

Looks like the only thing Colgan had to offer (relatively quick upgrades) is about to go away.

this question was asked of chuck colgan in a group setting at interview last week. his response was "he didnt know". However, he did tell the story of how Colgan first started out as a flight school. Their first solo "bounced three times and landed upside down"

The Juice 07-12-2010 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by donkedPilot (Post 840612)
this question was asked of chuck colgan in a group setting at interview last week. his response was "he didnt know". However, he did tell the story of how Colgan first started out as a flight school. Their first solo "bounced three times and landed upside down"

Im sure they flipped the plane right side up and said it was fine to go for the next student.

mooney 07-13-2010 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 840636)
Im sure the flipped the plane right side up and said it was fine to go for the next student.

Back in the day, management's mantra was "move the student," which evolved to "move the rig"

The Juice 07-13-2010 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 840708)
Back in the day, management's mantra was "move the student," which evolved to "move the rig"

That's funny!!:D

FlyingGorilla 07-14-2010 06:26 AM

As a Mesaba furlough, that will probably get an offer to come to Colgan or Pinnacle, I have a quick question.

What are the junior bases for Colgan? If I agree to come on board to Colgan where whould I get based? It looks like IAH would be the best for commuting to me, but I don't know my chances at getting based there. It's a big part of the decision as to whether I come to Colgan or choose Pinnacle....or decline all together.

Any info would be great. Thanks.


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