F9/rah Sli?
 

Gents,
Word has been slow as of late. What's the latest scoop on the RAH/F9 SLI? How is everything coming? Airbus fences? DOH or relative senority? Any info is welcome.
-Aloha

We are all screwed

Oh yes...but not always equally right. :(

no news next hearing is mid to late august. hopefully this is the last one...

Final (we hope) hearing in August. Assuming that is the last hearing, arbitrator's decision Sep, Oct, maybe Nov.

Then the fun starts.

What happened to having a new list by the end of May?

Third verse, same as the first:
A little bit louder, a little bit worse.

The original timeline called for a hearing in March with a decision expected by the end of May. The testimony went long, therefore a second hearing was scheduled for late May with a decision expected by late August/early September. The May hearing went long, too so now another hearing is scheduled for August with a decision expected by October/November.

Always ask for the year....always!

Interesting how a real union can get the DAL/NWA SLI hashed out in a few weeks and the regional goobers have the process all screwed up indefinitely.

The DAL/NWA sli is absolutely nothing like whats going on with F9/YX/RAH/LYNX. The RAH sli will be completed long before those legacy "goobers" at USAIR get things figured out.

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Real union? Yeah sure "Tim is ALPA". You need to use your imagination a little with respect to our merger. Bringing together different groups which were independently at different "levels" combined with some groups bringing pilots but no planes is a little complicated. What's right and fair is very subjective. I wonder how well the dal/nw merger would have gone if the nw pilots were joining the dal list without bringing any jets with them?

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Darn you! I just had a bunch of soda come out my nose!

ALPO? A real union? HA!

Little bit of a difference chief when we have the IBT, FAPA & ALPA all coming to the table with major differences and some with planes and some without. How's the Airways merger going there chief?

NWA/DAL were similar groups with both airlines hiring at merger time. It was a pretty straight forward merger. I wouldn't give ALPA too much credit in that situation.

Heard Lynx just called furloughees with Mandatory Recall this week.

The Master Seniority List will be probably be completed by the arbitrator in the Fall.

The list will not actually be effective until 1)The NMB decides that RAH/F9 constitute a Single Transportation System and 2)A Representation Election is held, and 3)a new CBA is ratified.

Try the search function at the top since it's been discussed in both the major and regional sections.

....... dupe

Hard to ratify a new CBA without #1.

Welcome to the Republic of Republic

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This is going to be a real mess. The thing that holds everything up is negotiating a joint cba. You'll have F9 who will be in no hurry to get it done mixed with management who has zero desire to ever have a new labor contract. Can't wait to see the fun begin when the C series comes on property. You'll have two pilot groups who both have a contract making it mandatory those planes go to them. Can't wait...

I'm not reading too much into that. Basically Republic said they wanted so many pilots. Well, if you knew you were losing your job in a few months wouldn't you find another one?
Well they had so many take voluntary furloughs and so many quit they don't have enough pilots anymore. So they asked for volunteers to come back and only a handful did, those that hadn't found a job yet.
So now they are making threats of desperation. I still ask, who is going to come back just to fly another month?
Granted it seemed a lot of captains took the voluntary so they could get unemployment at captain pay, only a handful are back flying I think. Most are doing other stuff. Some went to Shuttle America, some Colgan, Eagle, Compass, Allegiant, Airtran, and some back to corporate.

Can you get unemployment while doing a voluntary furlough? Is it state specific?

Yes. Though if you bypass the recall you are off the seniority list and lose unemployment benefits.

All for what was 5 more weeks now extended to 8 by RAH.

You say we (YX), bring only pilots and no planes. You are correct. Get real. Your company came in and sold our airplanes and replaced us with you. You took our gates, our front line employes, our mechanics and our hangars all while locking out our pilots and F/A's. To say we brought nothing speaks volumes of your level of maturity. We are locked out with your blessing. Too bad we have to force our way back into our positions through the legal system. I only hope we can inflict as much pain on your pilot group that you have on ours. Like they say, paybacks are hell.

Looks like you are setting a great example of maturity for the guys at RAH. A mature person would realize the comments you read here are the comments of one person from a pilot group of 3000 pilots. Just as I know your comments are in the same category. Your attitude and lack of professionalism has not been present with ANY of the Midwest pilots I have met. You Sir give the Midwest pilots a bad reputation, just like the moron's from RAH that get on here and mouth off about what Midwest did or didn't bring to the deal. The majority of the pilots from Midwest and RAH know management is the real enemy. The unions are just dealing with the situation imposed by management.

Why does EVERYTHING come back to major/legacy vs regional? That is not relevant here.

How exactly is what I said mouthing off? I was simply pointing out that for various reasons this merger is far more complicated than the DAL/NW one. As usual, blinded by rage, the rat has read into another's words and flown off the handle. SDDRS. . .

Welcome back Dirty Rat.

What have you been up to? It is good to see you again.

Those planes were scheduled to be returned to Boeing prior to RAH showing up. They weren't owned by Midwest so they couldn't be sold. They were simply returned when their leases expired. That deal was inked a long while.

Have you looked at RAH year end filing. Those 717's were returned early and RAH paid a penalty to return them early, they were not returned because the leases were up. They were returned because they were replaced. Why do you think people at Midwest are so angry. Boeing wanted to cut the lease rates in half, they did not want those aircraft back. They would have been much cheaper to operate than the E170/190. But they could not get rid of the pilots unless they sent the 717 back. That's why so many have ill feelings.

Everybody takes a chance on their career in the hopes that their airline will survive. When Midwest goes down the way it did(25 years), not because of being bankrupt, but because of greed between CEOs who are corrupt, that tends to stir the emotions a bit.

Come on, this screwed up process was no accident.

Exactly... The management teams at RAH and Midwest are the enemy. I agree with you 100%, but why do a certain few insist that this was the RAH pilots doing? The reality is that BB and pals didn't want to pay you guys your mainline rates and kicked you guys to the curb and paid to do it by ending the leases early. I guess they figured it would be cheaper to pay the early termination fees on the Boeings and pay us regional guys to fly your mainline routes than to keep you guys on. Its horrible and no one here is gonna tell you otherwise. But the fact remains that this is how it went down and besides maybe quitting (which still wouldn't have worked because they would have just hired onto the RAH cert.) there wasn't a damn thing any of us could have done to save your jobs. So again how is this the RAH pilot's fault? Almost all of us here just wanted to get our time, try to make things a little better, and move onto greener pastures. Yet now we have the Rats of the world making empty threats about how he's gonna hurt us as bad as we hurt him. HUH?? Grow up Rat. We all know you got the shaft but place the blame where it belongs. No one that I know wanted any of this BS.

BB accelerated the return of those leased aircraft after RAH purchased Midwest. Some were already on the way back before acquisition but BB paid penalties to return them faster.

BB is a POS. I think he looked at the Midwest fleet and pilot group as a liability. Getting the Midwest aircraft off property prior to SLI benefited the company in several ways. His decision was great for the bottom line but terrible for the Midwest pilots and I'm sure he would love to see a small percentage of that pilot group join the party after SLI. As I said before the true enemy is management.

So to answer you directly the reason I accused you of slanderous flame bait is that Midwest did bring aircraft to the operation but BB parked them ASAP. The reason I called out Rat is that he is crazy enough to think the RAH pilots were in on the deal with Management. He has not accepted the fact that RAH management does what they want and listen to no one else that dissents. Just go ask Sean Menke what he thinks about BB and company. I believe he cast his vote on the RAH management team when he left.

I'll tell you why I hold the RAH pilot group in contempt. They did absolutly nothing to try and stop this other than say "There's nothing we can do. It's our flying now. What are we suppose to do?" All while they are climbing into replacement aircraft painted in Midwest colors. The idiots on here talk about how we bring nothing to the table. I bring 20+ years to the table. It's gone now and the continued silence from this spineless RAH pilot group says it all. They don't know the pain and suffering a lot of good people are going through right now. They don't feel the pain of families having to sell all they have just trying to survive and hoping to come back to a job that was stolen from them. I just hope we can toss as many of them out into the streets as they have of us. Let them sit on the outside and wonder what happened.

So the "spineless" RAH group did nothing to save your jobs. At which point did you take any job action of your own?

The Midwest guys (ALPA) did the same thing that the RAH guys (IBT) did. Nothing... There was nothing that could be done or said to save the likes of Rat and his buddies at Midwest. It was and continues to be an awful situation. If Rat wants some kind of official press release from the RAH union stating that they do agree that its a horrible situation for the Midwest guys then I'm sure they could work something out but to most its pretty obvious that no one wanted this to happen. Rat are you really saying that if the IBT came out and said they didn't agree with it but there was nothing they could do then you wouldn't hold any grudges?

I guess the Midwest pilots by NOT taking the very small amount of money offered to us to fly those aircraft, the very same aircraft RAH currently flies for the exact small amount of money. The Midwest group did not want to continue the race to food stamps for all, so yes we took a stand. That's why all those jobs were outsourced to RAH. Because they are willing to do others flying for much less.

I wonder, would you call that job action.

Bear...you seem like a reasonable guy. You state that we are "willing" to do others flying for much less. As you are no doubt aware, we don't have a choice who we do flying for. At times on here, people were basically suggesting that we do an illegal job action. That obviously wasn't going to happen. We're in our 3rd year of negotiations and are/will be desperately trying to get a contract that reflects the changes that BB has done with this "regional" airline. Were you and your fellow Midwest pilots royally screwed in this situation? Absolutely. Do you have every right to be ****ed? Absolutely.

I sincerely wish you nothing but the best and that you find MUCH greener pastures than what BB is providing here.

The pilots I have encountered at RAH all seem to imply that their hands are tied. Bedford and Heller take their share of the blame as well as the Teamsters.

What is frustrating is all the talk of "just wait til we negotiate our next contract, then you'll see." I have heard RAH pilots talk about how they have fought the good fight, but I have never seen positive results.

The only conclusion I can come up with is you are waiting for the Midwest and Frontier pilots to show up and fight your fight for you. I sure hope we are treated fairly during the SLI.