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X Rated 08-21-2010 07:38 PM

Well, they certainly don't want to have anyone strike until the Company goes out of business or declares BK. I mean, then they wouldn't be able to collect anything....

X

mwa1 08-22-2010 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 858951)
Not sure even what this means. Are you suggesting that ALPA favor "mainline" CBA's over their respective regional CBA's?

Both are in (somewhat) competition for the same flying.

I am saying do not allow regionals to undercut mainline to the point that mainline is pushed out of markets that support mainline. Use the regional to build new markets and serve thin markets but not allow the regionals to usurp mainline flying.
ALPA can do this.
If 2 unions develop it will be competitive to obtain flying for one group or the other and that WILL lead to the groups taking concessions to gain flying.

TonyWilliams 08-22-2010 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by mwa1 (Post 859365)
I am saying do not allow regionals to undercut mainline to the point that mainline is pushed out of markets that support mainline. Use the regional to build new markets and serve thin markets but not allow the regionals to usurp mainline flying. ALPA can do this.


Why should regionals be building new markets? Southwest manages to "build" a market just fine with Southwest crews flying Southwest planes.

Please expand on how ALPA can do anything. If ALPA represents both competing companies (or several), how are they going to do anything that doesn't impact the other carrier(s)?



If 2 unions develop it will be competitive to obtain flying for one group or the other and that WILL lead to the groups taking concessions to gain flying.

What "2" unions are you talking about? New flash. ALPA isn't "the" airline union. There are far more than two representing airline pilots in the USA.

pilotrob23 08-22-2010 04:47 PM

i hope not! Well folks, we are not commuters anymore, nor regionals. We just get paid and treated as such. Mind set has got to change. My opinion, anything over 50 goes to mainline. Good luck to all, and to all a goodnite!

mwa1 08-22-2010 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 859475)
Why should regionals be building new markets? Southwest manages to "build" a market just fine with Southwest crews flying Southwest planes.

Please expand on how ALPA can do anything. If ALPA represents both competing companies (or several), how are they going to do anything that doesn't impact the other carrier(s)?





What "2" unions are you talking about? New flash. ALPA isn't "the" airline union. There are far more than two representing airline pilots in the USA.

your first question is disengenuous but for clarity the "2" would be a union soley made up of regionals and the other only mainline.

dosbo 08-23-2010 10:06 AM

Will 100 seat aircraft come to the regionals
 
Just curious if many of the people that frequent the major board know there is a poll on the regional board

"Will 100 seat aircraft come to the regionals".

Currently the poll results favor allowing more 76 seat or larger jets up to 125 seats by 83%. I'm just wondering how if many of the actual major pilots have bothered to vote in this poll or just don't care.

It seems to me there are a large number of regional pilots willing to fly larger and larger aircraft regardless of the cost to the career. If you have an opinion on giving up more flying to regionals go vote. I'm curious what the general opinion of where the industry is going is.

Homa 08-23-2010 10:08 AM

Unfortunately, the answer is a big fat "YES."

Stay tuned to developments at Alaska Air Group and their handling of Horizon Air.

dosbo 08-23-2010 10:09 AM

Do 83% of the pilots here really believe more 76 seat and larger jets flying at the regional level is a good thing?

iPilot 08-23-2010 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 859756)
Do 83% of the pilots here really believe more 76 seat and larger jets flying at the regional level is a good thing?

No, just that it's likely to happen. Nobody wants a career as a regional pilot. Unfortunately, it's not up to is regional pilots. Scope must be held by the majors or we'll all be flying 100 seat RJs whether we like it or not.

TonyWilliams 08-23-2010 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 859752)

It seems to me there are a large number of regional pilots willing to fly larger and larger aircraft regardless of the cost to the career.


I don't think your assumption is correct. It's those same "regional" contract pilots who will suffer the end result. And the top half of seniority at major carriers who contract their flying will not be largely affected regardless if their carrier contracts 100 -150 seat planes... or not.

That's precisely why it will happen.


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