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If scope is allowed to get a foot hold in the 100 seat range [U]this career will become pointless for the sacrifices involved.

For many people involved in this industry this is already true, that is why I chose to leave (not a quitter just discovered life is happier outside of this nonsensical industry) No disrespect but if anyone thinks the regional jets will be flown by mainline pilots for mainline wages, they need to get their head checked. ALPA has been promoting this "take it back nonsense" for years, it's not going to happen and neither will pre-9/11 payscales.

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Originally Posted by F9er (Post 856737)

The question should be: Are there going to be any OTHER 100 seat airplanes at the regionals? Republic currently flies a 100-1 seat and is a regional.

Using your logic, 136 seats are now at the regionals and you're a regional pilot! Makes sense, right? Republic is a regional...Republic owns Frontier...Frontier is a regional (if A=B, and B=C...then A=C).

The irony is that Frontier always was a regional...

The answer is YES. Maybe a better question would have been, "will the majors fly a 100 seat aircraft?" The CRJ1000, EMB190,C-Series, ect. are being manufactured not to be flown by Delta, American or Continental, but by the likes of regionals. Infact, Republic ordered 80 C-Series and just ordered another 20 EMB190s. There's absolutely nothing that can be done to stop this. And if anybody says "scope" can stop this, you're either an industry newbie or really blind to what's been happening in the US aviation market.

And if anyone says scope can't stop this, they don't even know what scope it and are therefore the definition of industry newbie or really blind. The only way 100 seaters will be outsourced is if mainline pilot groups allow it. Even then it will only happen to the extent allowed. And Republic is different regarding what they do on their own time and their own dime. Indy Air was a regional that flew A319's.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 860202)

Indy air also gave up (LOST) work as a mainline feeder due to whipsawing. They were completely independent prior to having 319's and subsequently went out of business trying to compete against their previous mainline overlord. Great group of pilots who where willing to fall on thier sword because they valued their skills as pilots.

I agree they were a great group of pilots. My point was to preempt any claim of victory from the poster I was replying to along the lines of "well RAH flies greater than 100 seaters and they are a regional! Ha, so there!" etc.

As for the Indy pilots falling on their swords, I'm not sure that is a 100% fair statement in context. Yes they refused concessions at the end, but it very, very clearly wouldn't have mattered anyway.

And IndyAir didn't fly 100 seats or greater on behalf of any mainline either, so that comparison is as equally irrelevant as pointing to RAH's operation of Frontier and whatever they end up doing with the once respected MidWest brand.

In any case, if mainline pilots at ABC allow twenty 101 seaters to be outsourced, obviously 20 101 seaters will be outsourced. If mainline pilots at XYZ allow one hundred 200 seaters to be outsourced, then one hundred 200 seaters will be outsourced.

I disagree that "100 seaters will be flown at regionals" but in the unlikely event they are, it will happen only to such an extent that a mainline pilot group allows it. Does a single outsourced 100 seater at a single legacy airline mean "100 seaters are being flown at regionals?" Technically yes, but in all actuality no. And I don't think even that will happen anyway. That's the point.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 860238)

Agreed to all of the above. It will be interesting to see what the scope at the combined UAL/CAL JCBA is going to be. Also whether Republic will keep their UAL flying long term considering they now directly compete against them with the Frontier brand. UAL didn't care for it much when ACA/Indy decided to compete with them. After the merger is completed it could get interesting down the road.

100 seaters will not be operated by regionals on behalf of any legacy, either through CPA or codeshare. People on here who state otherwise forget that the 76 seaters came via bankruptcy contracts. The threat of concessions and bankruptcy no longers scares mainline pilots. CAL/UAL, DAL, AA, UsAir are done having scope relief shoved down our throats. It will take bankruptcy filing to even present the chance at 100 seaters being outsourced. I said bankruptcy will be required to EVEN PRESENT THE POSSIBILITY. And even then I guarantee the possibility will be slim. There's really nothing left for management to take. Scope is about all many pilot groups have left. Its not going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 860246)

It will be interesting to see what the scope at the combined UAL/CAL JCBA is going to be.

That will be the most interesting thing in the industry by far from a pilot contract standpoint.

As for RAH, not sure if they were able to fool UAL into a "separate certificate trick" style of contract or if UAL (and DAL for that matter) were smart enough to put a "if you fly anything bigger than XYZ, at any certificate in your holding company, you lose our FFD gravy train" clause. We shall see.

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Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 860207)

Indepedence Air also had some of the best pay rates going.