Lynx Becoming Part of Republic
 

Lynx certificate is being merged with Republic. Guess Aspen and Q400's
are sticking around. What a joke the RAH management is, they can't even shut an airline down, never mind run one.

Also,

whoever wrote this:

"As a RAH pilot, I could care less about the addition or subtraction of a single destination. I'm tired of the LYNX sob stories.. the reality is that people were booking away from your beloved Q400 and booking on an RJ. And while I'm at, where do you guys get off thinking that you deserve anything other than a staple to the bottom. Probably 90% of the people at RAH have been on the list since before LYNX even existed. Not to mention that LYNX has brought absolutely nothing to the table."

I hope you are enjoying all the former Lynx route structures.

Wait, what?

Are they simply keeping the certificate and flying ASE with the E-Jets, or will they keep flying Q400s under the RP code?

How are loads at Republic? I tried to book a Midwest, I mean Frontier, I mean Republic E190 flight the other day 10 days out just for kicks and final price was 6-800 dollars non stop one way.:eek:

I have no clue what you're talking about for starters. Bedfords original plan was to sell the Qs to some startup company to fly the same routes under the frontier name as a codeshare. That company was still seeking capital to get started though. IF what you're saying is true and hes bringing the Qs back on property, then his original plan obviously fell apart. Bedford is the bad guy here. Not RAH pilots.

As far as frontier loads, they're at 90%+ right now. That side is still losing money, but its not due to loads.

This was actually a Midwest flight E190, don't know if that's Frontier. But checked a couple of dates, and each flight cost between 300 to 800 non stop. I doubt they're getting 90% on the E190 unless Republic is buying its own seats. :cool:

I saw a press release from a friend that the Q will be proven and put on the Republic cert. 2 lines of flying to aspen, durnago and somewhere else. Hoping to have it running by october this year. RAH pilots will staff it.

That load factor is the full branded side. Most prices ive seen are far cheaper. Not sure why its that expensive.

As far as who will end up staffing those planes, nothing is set. Lot of things can still happen

That makes perfect sense.... RAH is going to take a bunch of pilots who have never flown the Q, qualify them and get them qualified for aspen in addition and send them up there right as winter starts. Really? This is what you think? Or are you stating that the Lynx pilots will become RAH pilots?

and the punch line is, "but we make it up in volume!"

Regardless of what happens to the Q's or the Lynx certificate the Lynx pilots will be on the master seniority list after SLI.

In the near term if the Lynx certificate is dissolved and the Q's are placed on the Republic certificate then Lynx pilots would be locked out by the Republic scope language until the SLI is completed. No one can fly an airplane on republic, ****aco, or shuttle certificate unless they are on the master seniority list at RAH. As crappy as that is now in the long term it keeps the scope language at RAH intact. That is a good thing for everyone long term.

The lynx integration comity will hopefully include this development in their final brief to the arbitrator at the end of the month for SLI. It would IMO help their position for integration.

Whoever the RAH pilot is that posted this is a pure blooded idiot. I know for a fact there are people at RAH that think that way which is juvenile and sad. I also know that the majority of the ones I flew with during my tenure with the company do not think that way towards any group involved in the SLI. In my experience the idiots and chest thumpers are the minority. Just my experience. YMMV

100% agree.

RAH found out there is no way they can have the E-jets operate out of ASE... d/t climb and runway requirements... Ooooopppssss.

I don't think RAH ever wanted to operated jets out of ASE. I think they planned on selling your planes to some start up that would have undercut everyone else.

Well they weren't my airplanes to begin with... and I left in april. The Wyoming group wasn't even created until 2-3 months after it was made public Lynx was shutting down. I think BB thought someone would buy Lynx but it never happened... heard it was grossly overpriced.

Agreed. They never planned on operating the 170s up there. To the previous poster, the max certificated take off altitude of the 170/175 is 8000. While the 190 is certified to operate at higher altitudes I seriously doubt they planned on operating them with the associated penalties up there. Either the new low ball dash 8 folks in Wyoming are stumbling a bit or else BB and company are rethinking their stance on turboprops. That could be a good thing. Gas prices will rise again. We're running out of the stuff despite what you hear on Fox News.

ASE is 7820ft. The ASE airport manager was sold on the fact RAH was bringing in the E-jets... I assume that he had some information from RAH saying so. Anyway, a lot of money has been wasted on the Lynx shutdown... and now it won't be shutdown. Have fun explaining that in a shareholders meeting Mr Bedford!

I'd bet dollars to donuts RAH marketing thought the E170 would be able to handle Aspen with no problems "since CRJs do it!" but that flight management really knew better...it just took this long to convince the right people it was a stupid idea.

Also, we're "not running out of the stuff" - at least not near term. Interesting how Peak Oil believers fell from the sky during the 2008 gas spike but have conspicuously been absent the last 18 or so months...

It's because they know it had nothing to do with peak oil, but rather speculation. They know they were wrong.

This is crazy.

You got that right!

Lynx pilots will be integrated on paper soon, but implementing that may take years right? Contracts, single carrier status etc.

Ok so the Q's continue but do you really see BB training RAH pilots to fly them? I know what your contract says but he seems to do what he wants anyway, 99 seat 190's anyone?

Any serious thoughts on this?

On another note, we were told RAH was trying to get an RJ approved for Aspen. Skywest does with the CRJ 700 but to runway 15 only with a max tailwind of 10 kts, and I've been told below 500' AGL they have to land, no go aound.

The Q can circle to 33, and we have balked procedures for both runways giving us a serious advantage.

I say he operates it until he sells the aircraft, he extended the stay, watch him shorten it.

To be honest with you, I don't even think the company knows what they are doing on a daily basis let alone weeks or months into the future.

+1. I think BB realized he couldn't dump the aircraft as easily as he thought. Just a few of them has to be expensive.

I don't know why BB doesn't just leave the lynx cert there and keep it flying. Why put it on Republic? What's the advantage of this, sell the lynx cert?

Having worked with RAH flight management, there is no doubt in my mind that nobody in that department bothered to crunch the numbers or even had a ******* clue one way or the other until the deal was already signed. These are not what one would call "deep thinkers".

BB told us after the auction ended he planned on merging Lynx onto another certificate because it was too costly to keep. Then they found out they had to do proving runs etc to do this which they felt wasn't worth it financially. Now they do a 180 and say they are doing the proving runs to merge Q400's onto another certificate... and then grounding the planes after half a year? Sounds stupid... cause it is.

I would tell you I personally know RP flight management "crunched the numbers" about E-Jets into ASE months ago because I provided them some documentation specifically for that purpose...but since you've worked with them you probably wouldn't believe me. ;)

Welcome to the "other" fray :D

Further proof RAH management has no clue how to run a real airline. Buying Midwest and F9 was brilliant from a business standpoint, but they forgot to add people who actually know what they're doing from an operational standpoint. Regional management trying to run a real airline = circus.

Couldn't be more true... except they had some of the smartest people in the airlines with the purchase of F9. They ****ed them off so they left and slammed the door behind them.

Sean Menke resigns from Frontier owner Republic - The Denver Post

Thanks! It's been many, many years since I've had a "1" showing next to my post count!

They've been sold. Going to Canada.

Source and to whom?

No they have not.

Maybe the leased planes are going back to Canada before being subleased to Europe. Don't think the owned planes are sold... at least not yet.

BB is probably in Toronto working on a new order for the 90 seat stretched version of the Q400. Gonna be 40 orders with 40 options I bet!

...at dash-100 rates

Apparently RAH is only keeping 3 a/c for the 2 lines of flying. Very odd and this reeks of last minute scrambling to not miss out on the winter ski traffic.

They already chose to walk away from it (ASE) so more like the expense of the shutdown was too much for whomever BB and company answer to.

With no buyers for the AC or the cert. might as well use the aircraft you have or are making payments on.

Still very odd.

Agreed....

this is probably the most likely scenario. after april they will re-evaluate the situation and make a decision then. I would like for us to keep the markets and the Q's though. It would be nice to even expand them into maybe the MKE market or even an east coast operation.