Coming to a beer can (end of 50 seat jets)
09-09-2010 | 06:15 AM
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Warning, do not operate machinery while on "Beerterol." Side affects include depression, suicidal thoughts, impaired judgement, and liver damage.
09-09-2010 | 09:21 AM
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veut gagner à la loterie
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From: Light Chop
I don't know about the RJs but a lot of Boeings and Airbuses are made with an Aluminum lithium alloy. Pharmaceutical companies might be interested though. The could create a new anti-depressant beer. "Beerterol"
Warning, do not operate machinery while on "Beerterol." Side affects include depression, suicidal thoughts, impaired judgement, and liver damage.
Warning, do not operate machinery while on "Beerterol." Side affects include depression, suicidal thoughts, impaired judgement, and liver damage.
There is such a thing as explosive diarrhea, saw it on a side affect for some medicine a while ago.
09-09-2010 | 09:50 AM
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Heyas FtB,
Good analysis. What it comes down to is it costs real money to fly airplanes.
Everything seems fine when you are on an expense account or someone isn't minding the till. But when they do stop and realize the real costs of running the those things, the fun stops.
The "RJ Craze" started because of an unholy alliance of cheap labor, cheap operators, cheap fuel, complicit pilot groups and, at first, cheap airplanes. But like crack dealers "only the first one is free". The price of these operations steadily increased, but the mailine operators were "hooked", and that's how they wound up paying $25 mil a copy for a 50 seat jet, paying for the fuel (at $75/bbl), ground ops, reservations, AND providing a cost-plus contract, all the while trashing their core product
Be that as it may, I AM skeptical that a full blown RJ rewind is coming. There was multi-page article on this very thing in one of the trade journals...about how labor at CAL/UAL and AMR were aligning to end outsourcing, and how there were a lot of other challenges for the industry, but the way it was written, and its intended audience, it was clear it was a "wake up" piece for upper and middle managament. A "get out the vote" piece for management, if you will. If I can find it again, I will post it.
Nu
Good analysis. What it comes down to is it costs real money to fly airplanes.
Everything seems fine when you are on an expense account or someone isn't minding the till. But when they do stop and realize the real costs of running the those things, the fun stops.
The "RJ Craze" started because of an unholy alliance of cheap labor, cheap operators, cheap fuel, complicit pilot groups and, at first, cheap airplanes. But like crack dealers "only the first one is free". The price of these operations steadily increased, but the mailine operators were "hooked", and that's how they wound up paying $25 mil a copy for a 50 seat jet, paying for the fuel (at $75/bbl), ground ops, reservations, AND providing a cost-plus contract, all the while trashing their core product
Be that as it may, I AM skeptical that a full blown RJ rewind is coming. There was multi-page article on this very thing in one of the trade journals...about how labor at CAL/UAL and AMR were aligning to end outsourcing, and how there were a lot of other challenges for the industry, but the way it was written, and its intended audience, it was clear it was a "wake up" piece for upper and middle managament. A "get out the vote" piece for management, if you will. If I can find it again, I will post it.
Nu
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09-09-2010 | 04:52 PM
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Heyas,
Found the article I was looking for:
US regional aviation outlook: More than posturing to eliminating regionals | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation - CAPA
I don't buy what the article says...it has too much management type "hey, better smack down some of those grouchy pilot groups" speak in it, so it may only be serving as a wake-up call for middle managers to get their talking points in order.
Nu
Found the article I was looking for:
US regional aviation outlook: More than posturing to eliminating regionals | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation - CAPA
I don't buy what the article says...it has too much management type "hey, better smack down some of those grouchy pilot groups" speak in it, so it may only be serving as a wake-up call for middle managers to get their talking points in order.
Nu
09-09-2010 | 10:21 PM
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Heyas FtB,
Good analysis. What it comes down to is it costs real money to fly airplanes.
Everything seems fine when you are on an expense account or someone isn't minding the till. But when they do stop and realize the real costs of running the those things, the fun stops.
The "RJ Craze" started because of an unholy alliance of cheap labor, cheap operators, cheap fuel, complicit pilot groups and, at first, cheap airplanes. But like crack dealers "only the first one is free". The price of these operations steadily increased, but the mailine operators were "hooked", and that's how they wound up paying $25 mil a copy for a 50 seat jet, paying for the fuel (at $75/bbl), ground ops, reservations, AND providing a cost-plus contract, all the while trashing their core product
Be that as it may, I AM skeptical that a full blown RJ rewind is coming. There was multi-page article on this very thing in one of the trade journals...about how labor at CAL/UAL and AMR were aligning to end outsourcing, and how there were a lot of other challenges for the industry, but the way it was written, and its intended audience, it was clear it was a "wake up" piece for upper and middle managament. A "get out the vote" piece for management, if you will. If I can find it again, I will post it.
Nu
Good analysis. What it comes down to is it costs real money to fly airplanes.
Everything seems fine when you are on an expense account or someone isn't minding the till. But when they do stop and realize the real costs of running the those things, the fun stops.
The "RJ Craze" started because of an unholy alliance of cheap labor, cheap operators, cheap fuel, complicit pilot groups and, at first, cheap airplanes. But like crack dealers "only the first one is free". The price of these operations steadily increased, but the mailine operators were "hooked", and that's how they wound up paying $25 mil a copy for a 50 seat jet, paying for the fuel (at $75/bbl), ground ops, reservations, AND providing a cost-plus contract, all the while trashing their core product
Be that as it may, I AM skeptical that a full blown RJ rewind is coming. There was multi-page article on this very thing in one of the trade journals...about how labor at CAL/UAL and AMR were aligning to end outsourcing, and how there were a lot of other challenges for the industry, but the way it was written, and its intended audience, it was clear it was a "wake up" piece for upper and middle managament. A "get out the vote" piece for management, if you will. If I can find it again, I will post it.
Nu
For some reason a Robot Chicken sketch for "Horton Hears a What What on a Crack Rock" is coming to mind with the crack reference.
09-09-2010 | 10:34 PM
#46
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From: back seat
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