That is why the contracts need to change. I think more emphasis needs to be placed on being paid a livable wage as an FO, off of nothing more than monthly guarantee. What that value should be, I don't know, but it definately shouldn't be south of $20k a year as is the case at some carriers. If the airlines can't pay that, or won't pay that, then they shouldn't be in business anyways.

Not all the contracts come due at the same time. If they did, it'd be no problem, but there's no way to drive wages up fast enough to make up for fewer hours and fewer days off.

I'd be happy if we could just get a hard 8 hours behind the hotel door. That would be huge.

yeah hotel rest behind door and duty day hard limit are huge...the commuting thing will be a huge issue too...maybe it will lead to more home basing? (long wishful shot)...more hiring too.

The question is who determines if its scheduled in your body cycle? If the the company argues you knew about the trip a month in advance and then its up to you to get you body cycle in line with the trip schedule.

That's what she said.

-mini

More like the company requiring you to live in base.

I'm sure they've already thought about that. Let's see how they address it.

Get it in your contract. We have nine hours behind the door in ours.

Not going to happen. There may or may not be some downright draconian regs that hammer commuters, but they can never force you to "live" anywhere. Ever. It can't even be defined. What about a "local" New Yorker or LA'er that has a 2-3 hour by car sitting in traffic commute? Is that "living in base"? What about pilots with multipile residences? Will they require you to vote and pay taxes in your "domicile" versus somewhere else? LOL! What if you live out of base but have a relative close to the airport at your base where you can stay?

Again I can see some sort of tracking for non revving by air before the start of your trip and maybe some sort of "time off after that" requirement to be considered rest or whatever. Maybe. But they can not "force" you to live anywhere. There is no legal basis for it and more importantly it is impossible to define.