that is where contract negotiations come in right? We have these fantastic unions that will help! :) time will tell really on that, but i think its better than what we have, interesting for the fee for departure players too!

That is a risk in the short term, but ultimately they can't just take away all of our days off and put us on the road five days a week long-term. I would quit, unless the pay was really spectacular ($300K+) and then I'd only do it long enough to accumulate a big nest egg.

The "two days off a week like everyone else" argument does not hold water at all because "everyone else" gets to go home at night, or even at lunch, or in the afternoon if their kid gets sick.

Some people think pilots will just keep taking it in the shorts, but at some point we really will just walk away. This would be the equivalent of putting all of us on a really crappy reserve schedule with daily callouts...for life. Folks only put up with that for a finite period of time, and they only do it in order to get something better down the road.

I think the airlines know this too.

This forum is all discombobulated between the major, regional, cargo, etc. sections.

People are still discussing the fatigue rule possibilities and meanwhile the thread with a direct link to the actual proposal itself is locked and gone, nowhere to be easily found.

Here is the link to the proposal again:

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...2010_22626.pdf

There are some charts at the bottom.

Ummm....no. Contracts have duty rigs, min days off, etc & it will stay that way. 8 days off a month. That's hilarious.

It's an exagerration to prove a point. Contracts are negotiated. If you think that you can squeeze the balloon on one end and get shorter work days, fewer hours flying, and still make the same annual salary without compromising QOL, then you are delusional.

I know it doesn't make sense. I posted a NEW thread in the regional and the major forum so that people could get the LATEST info instead of clicking on a thread in just the regional forum that says COMING SOON that everyone is going to stop reading. Sorry folks I tried to get the new info out there so everyone could see it.

For those flying internationally:

Minimum Rest Prior to Duty - International: 9 hours
Maximum Flight Duty Time - Unaugmented: 9-13 depending on start time and number of flight segments
Maximum Flight Duty Time - Augmented: 12-18 depending on start time, crew size, and aircraft rest facility
Maximum Flight Time - Unaugmented: 8-10 depending on FDP start time

There's nothing that says this could never happen.

Exactly. When has the FAA or any company done anything to make pilot's lives easier?

The only things I'd like to see are 9 hard hours once at the hotel and regulations for WHEN the flying is done. IE Day 1: 5:30am show, done at 4pm, Day 2: 4pm show fly till 8pm, Day 3: 6:00am show. While the first and second day here aren't an issue that third day feels like death. after a late show it's hard to force the body to sleep on a min rest overnight for an early show.

The rest can be negotiated for in contracts.

Nice of them to think of the reserves. Basically no change. You can have a 16 hour duty day. Good thing my contract protects me more than the FAA.