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whos tim martin? i wanna have 5000 TPIC ;)

The only requirement is that the CP or assistant CP (ACP) conducts the final stage check. The CP or ACP is not required to be a DPE. If the CP or ACP is not a DPE, he cannot issue a pink slip. If there is no pink slip, then it is not a failed checkride, but a failed stage check.

I'm always open to criticism. Perhaps the 141 school I attended and instructed for had a different approved syllabus.

Former Eagle pilot who made quite a few claims to fame that were false, but ended up in print regarding such claims for all eternity.

Not a problem, and like I said before I wasn't calling you out or anything. I just know that a lot of people come to this forum for information, and when I saw the chance to correct something that I knew to be incorrect, I felt that I should do so.

Lots of people that frequent forums are often very impressionable.

And I agree, regardless of what the policy is everyone should apply to companies in which they hope to gain employ, because if you don't apply then are definitely won't get the job!

Yeah, might as well apply as long as you meet their published minimums...airline hiring policies change all the time with market conditions.

No, you are correct. I was using the term DPE because some folks might not know what a 141 examiner is. Some examiners are DPE's, many of them are not. Either way an 141 examiner or DPE should not issue a pink slip for 141 ride (under the current rules). I have actually had a hired DPE try to do that...took some explaining to sort out.

But I think the rules should be changed...a checkride is a checkride, and needs to hold the same jeopardy for every applicant since it is such a hot issue with career progression now.

I have one bust on my insrtument about 5 years ago. I made a stupid mistake during runup. I was in a Be76 the mags were fowled a little bit on one engine and I didnt clear the mags, bust. Then I busted my MEI initial 3 times going through a CFI course. Then went on to bust my CFI with the Feds twice. Then passed my CFII and MEII instructed for about 1000 hours. Now have a gold seal CFI with a 95% pass rate. Yes I did bust a few check rides but I learned a heck of a lot. I now have an ATP 2500tt 1000 multi. I fly a Baron corp part 91. I have a lot of single pilot time in IFR. So am I unhireable at a regional?

Pretty much unless they start havng a lack of applicants.

I embarrassed to mention this, but what the heck. Almost seven years ago, I was involved in an accident. I was riding in the right seat and the guy in the left seat was a private pilot. He lost control of the aircraft in gusty winds 20 feet over the runway so I took control of the aircraft, but wind drift got us off the right side and we clipped the only sign within 500 yards. Since I am a CFI and took control, I got the blame.

Now, it's as if I have the plague as far as airlines are concerned. I went to a 141 school, am a MEI, never failed a checkride, have 1300 hours, 150 multi, 600 cross country, and 150 instrument, but Eagle won't even consider me. I was told it was all because of that 10 second episode. I've always been interested in Eagle because ORD is so close to my home.

Anyway, this just goes to show life ain't fair. Airlines, especially in this environment, can set any standard they choose and it doesn't have to be reasonable or fair.