466,650 Pilots Needed
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Recommended Reading:
Airbus Global Market Outlook 2009-2028
FAA Aerospace Forecast Fiscal Years 2010–2030
ICAO LONG-TERM TRAFFIC AND AIRCRAFT MOVEMENT FORECASTS
World air travel is growing exponentially in spite of Doubting Delbert and Negative Nancy
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winglet
Airbus Global Market Outlook 2009-2028
FAA Aerospace Forecast Fiscal Years 2010–2030
ICAO LONG-TERM TRAFFIC AND AIRCRAFT MOVEMENT FORECASTS
World air travel is growing exponentially in spite of Doubting Delbert and Negative Nancy
.winglet
"A courtier presented the Persian king with a beautiful, hand-made chessboard. The king asked what he would like in return for his gift and the courtier surprised the king by asking for one grain of rice on the first square, two grains on the second, four grains on the third etc. The king readily agreed and asked for the rice to be brought. All went well at first, but the requirement for 2 n − 1 grains on the nth square demanded over a million grains on the 21st square, more than a million million (aka trillion) on the 41st and there simply was not enough rice in the whole world for the final squares. (From Meadows et al. 1972, p. 29 via Porritt 2005)"
#32
HSLD,
In time, the reward would be getting hired on with a successful and growing airline at a time when normal career progression is soon to return and at a time when most labor contracts are beginning the process of reclaiming the concessions of the last decade.
The intended audience of my post was the qualified career pilot who has endured great hardships, feels defeated with a stagnated career and is considering quitting the industry. They have endured so much and come so far, it would be regrettable to give up now that there is a small light at the end of the tunnel.
The barriers to entry for the "shiny jet" chasers are being formulated as we speak. That, along with the age 65 attrition will eventually create movement in airline career progression.
As for the young people who still want to be airline pilots despite the mess this industry has gotten itself into, I too question their career research ability. But, as long as they are willing to earn it the old school way, I won't be the one to slam the door in their face.
winglet
In time, the reward would be getting hired on with a successful and growing airline at a time when normal career progression is soon to return and at a time when most labor contracts are beginning the process of reclaiming the concessions of the last decade.
The intended audience of my post was the qualified career pilot who has endured great hardships, feels defeated with a stagnated career and is considering quitting the industry. They have endured so much and come so far, it would be regrettable to give up now that there is a small light at the end of the tunnel.
The barriers to entry for the "shiny jet" chasers are being formulated as we speak. That, along with the age 65 attrition will eventually create movement in airline career progression.
As for the young people who still want to be airline pilots despite the mess this industry has gotten itself into, I too question their career research ability. But, as long as they are willing to earn it the old school way, I won't be the one to slam the door in their face.
winglet
*(Doesn't mean all of us are halfway through the tunnel yet.)
#33
Recommended Reading:
Airbus Global Market Outlook 2009-2028
FAA Aerospace Forecast Fiscal Years 2010–2030
ICAO LONG-TERM TRAFFIC AND AIRCRAFT MOVEMENT FORECASTS
World air travel is growing exponentially in spite of Doubting Delbert and Negative Nancy.
winglet
Airbus Global Market Outlook 2009-2028
FAA Aerospace Forecast Fiscal Years 2010–2030
ICAO LONG-TERM TRAFFIC AND AIRCRAFT MOVEMENT FORECASTS
World air travel is growing exponentially in spite of Doubting Delbert and Negative Nancy.
winglet
But the biggest flaw in your argument is that air travel should grow "exponentially." In a logical business model, the available seat-miles would grow linearly with the market demand.
Generally, that happens linearly with population increase. And the rate of population change, per year, is globally decreasing. That is, even though more people are born every year than the year before, it makes a smaller percentage change in the earth's population each year.
The major carriers spent the last 10 years trimming ASMs to raise load factors. If revenue passenger travel increased by 2% next year, would they increase the ASMs by 6% to carry them (and reduce load factor?) I think not....but it would be exponential.
Finally, I don't think the article says it will creat a lot of GOOD pilot jobs....that expanded figure probably includes the lowest-paying CFI job going.
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But the biggest flaw in your argument is that air travel should grow "exponentially." In a logical business model, the available seat-miles would grow linearly with the market demand.
Finally, I don't think the article says it will creat a lot of GOOD pilot jobs....that expanded figure probably includes the lowest-paying CFI job going.

ASMs increase with demand based on the forecast growth of each region's GDP, not its population growth. I'm not arguing the accuracy of the reports, but I do believe that we were hit with the perfect storm over the last decade and it's now time to recover. It will be up to us as a professional group to demand quality piloting jobs.
Please forgive my optimism.
"The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." - Michaelangelo
Good Luck,
winglet
Last edited by winglet; 09-22-2010 at 06:26 PM.
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Nothing wrong with optimism, but it should always be tempered with reality.
Optimism is what causes the fish to swallow the presented bait, along with the hook, line and sinker.
"Cleared to Dream" - the now famous ALPO production and all that.
Optimism is what causes the fish to swallow the presented bait, along with the hook, line and sinker.
"Cleared to Dream" - the now famous ALPO production and all that.
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Growth in aviation will be determined by world economic policy, not Boeing.
Policy is looking pretty weak for the foreseeable future, with few exceptions.
I have already had more than my share of good luck, but as we all know good luck favors the prepared.
#39
Winglet, you are often well thought with your opinions and sources, I will agree that the perfect storm may be brewing, but we know how fragile our economy and industry is. For that reason, I refrain from too much optimism.
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