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Old 09-21-2010 | 08:04 PM
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Boeing Projects Requirement for More Than One Million Pilots and Maintenance Personnel Needed Over Next 20 Years

"Airlines will need an average of 23,300 new pilots and 30,000 new maintenance personnel per year from 2010 to 2029" -- Boeing

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Old 09-21-2010 | 08:26 PM
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Don't Despair... Prepare:

Boeing Projects Requirement for More Than One Million Pilots and Maintenance Personnel Needed Over Next 20 Years

"Airlines will need an average of 23,300 new pilots and 30,000 new maintenance personnel per year from 2010 to 2029" -- Boeing

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Old 09-21-2010 | 08:29 PM
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Is that why Alteon, Boeing's pilot training company, furloughed the majority of its pilot instructors? Seems like odd behavior on the cusp of a looming pilot shortage, no?
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Old 09-21-2010 | 09:53 PM
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Boeing will push Renton's 737 output still higher

Cathay Pacific Airways to order 30 A350 XWBs

MAS orders 2 more A330-200F freighters

Cathay Pacific orders 6 Boeing 777

More narrowbody and regional aircraft orders at Farnborough

Emirates Order for 90 A380s ‘Not Enough,’ Clark Says

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." ~ Benjamin Franklin

Good luck to all,

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Old 09-21-2010 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by winglet
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. ~ Benjamin Franklin
Fantastic quote!
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Old 09-21-2010 | 11:05 PM
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Two things.

First, how many of the aircraft on order are replacement aircraft, vs. new net growth? That make a huge difference on manpower requirements.

Second, Doing some quick guestimation on the orders and options you listed - the forecast numbers for new pilots just don't add up. Depending on work rules, plan 6-8 crews per jet (which globally is an over-estimate), you need roughly 1,600 new net growth airframes per year to reach the 23,000 per year new pilot number.

I don't see it happening, but if Boeing does, explain why Alteon is in mothballs.
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Old 09-22-2010 | 03:54 AM
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Will there be a true shortage, or just a shortage of pilots that are unwilling to fly for low wages? Remember all the way back to 2008, when the regionals were scrambling to fill seats? This was at a time whereby there were 10,000 furloughed 121 pilots on the street. How many furloughed American or United guys wanted to come back and work at a regional? Very very few. There's the shortage.
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I think I read that article too but your link doesn't work. I think the skinny of it was while that report says there will be a need for pilots, they will be in Asia and the Pacific region. Here in the states the numbers were far more sobering. Might be talking about different ones but I think it was released by boeing.
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Originally Posted by HSLD
Two things.

First, how many of the aircraft on order are replacement aircraft, vs. new net growth? That make a huge difference on manpower requirements.

Second, Doing some quick guestimation on the orders and options you listed - the forecast numbers for new pilots just don't add up. Depending on work rules, plan 6-8 crews per jet (which globally is an over-estimate), you need roughly 1,600 new net growth airframes per year to reach the 23,000 per year new pilot number.

I don't see it happening, but if Boeing does, explain why Alteon is in mothballs.
A large aircraft like a 777 coming on property requires more like 40 pilots
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