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Colnago 09-29-2010 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by flyerfly (Post 878387)
I'll just ask Wikipedia....It'll have better information.......

Better information on what? Seriously.

Flying Low 09-29-2010 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by dundem (Post 878003)

Though I don't have the numbers, I would bet money that the U.S. is the biggest pilot exporter in the world.

you think US exports more than the UK or not at least a tie? Counting, of course, the many UK nationals that have probably spent most of their lives outside of Great Britain.

I feel the same about a lot of semi-skilled positions I've worked in, the immigrants are here to make a buck, not because I couldn't do the job as well or better. life isn't always fair.

Zapata 09-29-2010 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 878002)
Want someone to blame for thousands of your brothers furloughed? Blame the seniority system. That's really why they're furloughed. Has nothing to do with foreigners.

That is just preposterous. Please explain exactly how the seniority system is to blame for furloughs.

AirArney 09-29-2010 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Colnago (Post 877975)
sighs....I don't blame you for being so uninformed because everyone seems to think the same. It's no different in Europe than it is here. If you have a green card (permanent resident) for that country, you can work for the airline. Lufthansa, for example, requires permanent residency (NOT citizenship) and fluency in German. It's the same here in the US. If you have a green card and can speak English, you can fly for the airlines.

edit: reference page 2...http://www.be-lufthansa.com/fileadmi...LH_E_Pilot.pdf

Sighs, eh?

Before you attack the OP, why don't you try and explain to me the inequity of transfering certificates between JAA and FAA? I don't think that you can. I know that when I fly a 172 in Ireland (for fun), my FAA ATP grants me a whopping PPL with day privleges only.... Meanwhile, the JAA pilot can go to a FSDO and AUTOMATICALLY be crossdecked with a Commercial certificate. One written and BAM, Instrument rating. One more written and checkride, ATP.....

Meanwhile, the FAA pilot, regardless of rating, has to start from square one in Europe.

And before you spout off about Emirates et al. I am talking about professional flying in Western Europe and Australia specifically, not some Third World country or 12th Century throwback city.

Colnago 09-29-2010 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by AirArney (Post 878462)
Sighs, eh?

Before you attack the OP, why don't you try and explain to me the inequity of transfering certificates between JAA and FAA? I don't think that you can. I know that when I fly a 172 in Ireland (for fun), my FAA ATP grants me a whopping PPL with day privleges only.... Meanwhile, the JAA pilot can go to a FSDO and AUTOMATICALLY be crossdecked with a Commercial certificate. One written and BAM, Instrument rating. One more written and checkride, ATP.....

Meanwhile, the FAA pilot, regardless of rating, has to start from square one in Europe.

And before you spout off about Emirates et al. I am talking about professional flying in Western Europe and Australia specifically, not some Third World country or 12th Century throwback city.

I didn't realize the argument was regarding the ease in certificate transfer. I thought we were talking about the right to work for an airline in a country. Guess what. Those with green cards here didn't magically have an FAA certificate. They had to start from square one. No need to whine about how difficult it is to get a JAA cert. If you REALLY wanna work for a European carrier, get the damn cert and quit complaining. Nothing is holding you back.

seafeye 09-29-2010 08:42 PM

Go to Canada and pay $100, take a test and voila you have a CDN ATPL.
If you have a right to work in Canada you are set.
It cost me $4000 to convert my license from Canada to the USA. Mind you that was 10 years ago and the US Regs were a bit different.
15 years ago if you came from Europe and had a ATPL you would get a FAA commercial with a stamp on it that said "Not for Hire". You would then have to take a flight test and written to get the restriction removed.
I don't know why the regs changed, or for what reason. Maybe to increase revenue for flight schools in the US. Tighter regulations is doing nothing for GA in Europe. Maybe we should be thankful for the income of foreign students.

AirArney 09-29-2010 08:55 PM

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atpcliff 09-29-2010 09:11 PM

Hi!

If U want to work in the US, you need a green card and FAA license. If a company really, really wants to hire a Euro pilot, with no green card, and no FAA license, and they know all the right people....it still won't help. no job for that guy.

On the other hand, if a certain Euro company wants to hire an American with no right-to-work/EU citizenship, and no JAA license, they CAN get them a work permit and have their license converted to JAA.

So, it is POSSIBLE for an American to get a Euro job, and there is 0% chance a Euro guy will get a US job.

If someone is legally entitled to a US job (green card/citizenship and FAA license), it should not (and does not) matter where they were born, what their citizenship is, or what is their first language.

cliff
MIA

Flightnurse 09-30-2010 07:37 AM

I came to the USA from Canada in 1990 as an RN during a significant nursing shortage. By 1992 I had my Perminent Resident status (Green Card) and started flight training shortly after.18 years later I am still a Canadian citizen and though I cannot vote, I still do not want to change my citizenship. I still occasionally get the "you are taking jobs from Americans" yet I have faithfully paid my taxes and have helped to save the lives of more than a few Americans. This country was built on legal immigration, and it is what continues to make it great.

"We got into space thanks to German rocket scientists and Canadian aerospace engineers" G. Krantz

Yabadaba 09-30-2010 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by AirArney (Post 878462)
Before you attack the OP, why don't you try and explain to me the inequity of transfering certificates between JAA and FAA? I don't think that you can. I know that when I fly a 172 in Ireland (for fun), my FAA ATP grants me a whopping PPL with day privleges only.... Meanwhile, the JAA pilot can go to a FSDO and AUTOMATICALLY be crossdecked with a Commercial certificate. One written and BAM, Instrument rating. One more written and checkride, ATP.....

Meanwhile, the FAA pilot, regardless of rating, has to start from square one in Europe.

A JAA commercial requires roughly 700 hours of ground instruction to get and how much does the FAA require? Only a small percentage of that. (yes too lazy to get the exact #'s). Other countries have written tests you actually have to study for... and not this memorize the Gleim answer garbage. That is why the FAA license isn't taken very seriously or given reciprocity in JAA countries.

Also if you if have an FAA commercial they credit you 200 hours of study toward your JAA... not square one.


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