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10-06-2010 | 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shfo

I actually got that clearance once at night after a long day and I stumbled a little on the read back.

Also you are always cleared to land unless told otherwise. Once I was coming in to 22R and tower was busy getting guys off 14L. I couldn't get a word in. Finally over Target, I said we are over target for 22R in a expedited voice. The controller said you are always cleared to land and you are always cleared to taxi to your gate if it is open. If it is not open you are cleared to taxi to the box. If I see a safety conflict with any of those we will tell you to do something else.

Poor RVR comes to mind and all sorts of frightening consequences. "Always cleared to land" if I break out at mins on a CAT 3 approach and can't see what's ahead of me on a runway with no word from the tower? I don't think so.

10-06-2010 | 07:14 PM

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Huh? No such thing as "breaking out at mins" on a CAT 3, right?

10-07-2010 | 06:00 AM

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Huh? No such thing as "breaking out at mins" on a CAT 3, right?

Actually, not all CAT3 approaches are to 0/0. CAT 3A and CAT 3B require SOME visibility to legally land. I probably wasn't clear in my description.

10-07-2010 | 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by EWRflyr

Actually, not all CAT3 approaches are to 0/0. CAT 3A and CAT 3B require SOME visibility to legally land. I probably wasn't clear in my description.

Yes, they do have a minimum RVR to perform the approach but technically there are no "minimums" on a CAT III approach...

10-07-2010 | 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht

That place is a GD nightmare and you're advocating people to keep the rig moving, I get it but really ask yourself is it that wrong that someone doesn't want to get violated ?

Moving away from a runway would not get you a violation. Ground issuses taxi "instructions" not "clearances". Unless you cause a runway incursion, which would be a deviation of a clearance, it is not possible to get violated on the ground while moving away from a runway. You have not been issued anything, instruction or clearance...

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10-07-2010 | 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by onetogo

Yes, they do have a minimum RVR to perform the approach but technically there are no "minimums" on a CAT III approach...

Only CATIIIC... There is still a RA min that you need to see the Runway by on a CAT III A & B, and a min RVR. The A/C and Pilot must be qualified for CAT III A B & C separetly.