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FlyJSH 10-23-2010 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 889175)

You guys want to make this about who has the longest johnson and I want to make this about creating mainline jobs at the regional. If you spend years at colgan wouldn't you like to have that time applied toward your seniority at the mainline carrier? As it is now when you leave that company for a another you bring zero longevity to the party.

Good luck.

L

I don't claim to have the longest, but I don't like people suggesting it is short.

Sure, I want the mainline contract, but the reality is for the last 40 years, the mainlines (for whatever reason) don't do trunk flying. It was the mainlines that started the code share crap too. Go back to 1967 and blame Allegheny Airlines (now USAir) for starting the "partnership" craze with Henson Airlines (aka Allegheny Commuter, then Crown Airways, now part of Mesa).

The puddle jumpers were always there. But the mainlines never wanted them.

I didn't cause that.

I cannot change that.

No one at Colgan or any regional can change that: the tail can't wag the dog.

Who does that leave? hmmm

But go on and blame us.

Jamers 10-23-2010 02:58 PM

So.... did they pull the SF-340 out of the dirt yet??

dingo222 10-23-2010 03:03 PM

They are trying to figure out how to put humpty dumpy back together again in the hangar

Stratosphere 10-23-2010 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by BE19Pilot (Post 889147)
I hate to burst your bubble about putting the "less-experienced" pilot in the 340 with this ab-intitio deal, but there are probably some mainline pilots that have NEVER landed an airplane on a runway that is less than 6000', at an uncontrolled field or really had to deal with the kind of conditions that us "bush-league" 340 pilots do. Not a battle of egos for with this issue, I am merely stating the facts. In fact, some of these mainline guys with A LOT of experience have later struggled when going back to King Airs, old-school Citations and the like, because they just can't think outside the narrow box of mainline carrier mentality...So, flame away oh gods of the "big jets".


Umm you might have a few mainline guys say well you have never landed a jet on a runway that moves up and down and less than 1000 ft long either..Just saying

FlyJSH 10-23-2010 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by Stratosphere (Post 889456)
Umm you might have a few mainline guys say well you have never landed a jet on a runway that moves up and down and less than 1000 ft long either..Just saying

Yep. And those military guys (whom I, as a prior service member, have great respect for) generally haven't had to fly a 26 leg four day.

I will not even begin to compare flying in harms way to flying an airliner. But after having served in that environment, from my observations, those folks are not too keen on flying a typical TP schedule. Nor were they willing to force their buddies, who got out after them, to fly those crappy lines. And that is probably why years ago, our forefathers let the puddle jumping go.

Stratosphere 10-24-2010 01:42 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 889464)
Yep. And those military guys (whom I, as a prior service member, have great respect for) generally haven't had to fly a 26 leg four day.

I will not even begin to compare flying in harms way to flying an airliner. But after having served in that environment, from my observations, those folks are not too keen on flying a typical TP schedule. Nor were they willing to force their buddies, who got out after them, to fly those crappy lines. And that is probably why years ago, our forefathers let the puddle jumping go.

Well there is no doubt the commuter/regional guy works hard for a living thats for sure. I meant no disrespect just providing a different prospective.

CrippleHawk 10-25-2010 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 889268)
So.... did they pull the SF-340 out of the dirt yet??

it's been pulled out for quite a while. IT should be flying again soon.

BE19Pilot 10-25-2010 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Stratosphere (Post 889456)
Umm you might have a few mainline guys say well you have never landed a jet on a runway that moves up and down and less than 1000 ft long either..Just saying

No, but I have landed on the back-end of Frigates, Cruisers and Destroyers with the ship pitching and rolling 10/10, so what is your point? That is apples and oranges. I am not talking about military flying careers.

AxialFlow 10-25-2010 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by BeaglePilot (Post 885886)
The MEC and ALPA lawyers assigned to CJC, just keep selling pilots down the river.

This should come as no surprise. What kind of legal representation should one expect for 1.95% of one's salary? You get what you pay for...

(No offense to the pilots volunteering for ALPA, I think they're all great people)

DMEarc 10-25-2010 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 890396)
This should come as no surprise. What kind of legal representation should one expect for 1.95% of one's salary? You get what you pay for...

(No offense to the pilots volunteering for ALPA, I think they're all great people)

I wondered how long it would be until the pilots at Colgan began dogging their union for their own laziness. (pilots are lazy- union reps are not)

Axial Flow, Beagle... you guys really need to get a clue because you clearly have no idea how union representation works. Especially considering your current carrier does not have a CBA under which your reps can represent anyone! I have heard one of your reps compare it to - "representing a driver who received a speeding ticket, where the speed limit is not posted." Think before you post, because you look like clowns.

Good day.


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