The only relief military pilots should get is what they currently get. Once they receive their wings they can take a military equivalence test and they get a commercial ticket. Usually that is Commercial ME Land limited to center line thrust
with an instrument rating.

I wasn't making an argument......just a simple statement about voting to fire a big chunk of congress! As far as which candidate stands for what.....each of us has to do our own research to figure out the info......me included.......and we might still not get the answers we're looking for!:confused:

If that were the case, ALPO would be pushing for 2500 hours for those not going through the type of program being discussed and 1500 hours for those that do. The fact that they aren't, and are instead huffing on the same crack pipe Roger Cohen uses (when he isn't engaged in acts described as sodomy in some states) speaks volumes.

Political reality is that 1500 hours for an ATP with the ability to get credit for some of those hours was as good as its going to get for now. As it was, the senate was almost successful in only requiring 700 hours and no ATP.

I'd have to disagree with this. It would depend on what community the student is in when they get their wings. A Naval strike fighter newly winged pilot will never have flown a multi-engine aircraft. If we were talking about what a military pilot needs to have, hours wise, to get into a P121 cockpit, well then if a Riddle/UND (for example) grad gets a cut on the hours then I think that a graduate of a US military flight training program ought to get that same cut. Personally - I'd like to see 1,500 hrs across the board. Period.

USMCFLYR

Exactly.

For many years 1500 TT was then min de-facto standard.
Why are they so up in arms now?

There should be no exceptions; civilian or military whatsoever. I have flown with civilian and military pilots who have shown experience well beyond their logbook hours and some that shouldn't be allowed to drive a tricycle in a parking lot.

That said, a 4 year degree or military experience has no bearing on one's abilities. Time in the seat does. Time as part of a crew does.

I have seen some boneheaded flying by guys who flew single pilot IFR and have flown with ex-tanker guys who were terrified of hand flying a plane above 500' agl because the workload was "too intensive." It cuts both ways.

For ALPA's leadership to even consider condoning this is the height of unprofessionalism and reeks of financial self interest.

Let's see if the outgoing President has the common decency (or sense) to put the brakes on this, or leave it as his slap shot against the profession. And let's also see if the new President has the fortitude to stand up and oppose it.

Both will portend the future of ALPA.

As an incoming EVP of ALPA, you should...should...be ashamed of making knowingly false statements. Aw heck, never bothered you before, so why start now, right?

Yes a crewmember has the absolute legal right to refuse to join a union. They must pay the agency shop fee to cover the cost of maintaining the contract that they enjoy the benefits of. They may also refuse on religious reasons, in which case the member and union must agree on a designated charity or organization that an amount equivalent to the CMF must be paid monthly.

As to ALPA undercutting the hours requirement...funny...when it came out awhile back, I posted what ALPA was planning on doing...oddly exactly what they ARE doing...cutting a deal to help AABI, ATA and RAA. All at the behest of ERAU who was terrified that they'd see enrollment drop.

As I recall, you called me a malcontent and a liar.

So...tell you what Mr. New EVP. You now have a position of authority for your voting block. You have the ability to stand up...right here...right now...and DENOUNCE the position.

Will you? Will you tell all of us that you disagree with the lowering of standards and that you will lobby ALPA National to stand with APA, USAPA, SWAPA, IPA, IBT, CAPA...

AND the FAMILIES of Continental 3407...

and OPPOSE the reduction???

Step up...the whole world is watching.

Here, here.

No advantages/credits/whatever-you-want-to-call-it on the competition. If you have education/skills/experience that sets you apart, let that come out in the INTERVIEW and SELECTION process. If you really have a skill and knowledge set that sets you apart from the rest, you'll get hired. Simple.

Since when did getting 1500 hours become some insurmountable, huge burden on a pilot? I had more than 1500 hours before being hired by my first commuter, and I had an ATP....and yes I scratched and clawed for every single hour..but I did it (and it wasn't "banner towing on the beach"--nice straw-man argument). Where the heck did this entitlement culture come from?

If you are fortunate enough to have the means to afford (or are willing to take on a mountain of debt) an aviation university, GREAT! Let that education shine during your INTERVIEW!

CAPA, now.

I still don't get it. Who in ALPA is releasing this statement? Aren't we, the pilots that pay dues, ALPA? Where would be a good place to express my displeasure with this position? [email protected] ?