Committee Challenges New 1500 Hr Requirement
10-17-2010, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128
Did the thought ever occur that maybe this reporter doesn't have his facts straight?
If ALPA is standing firm on a 1500 hour requirement, I would retract everything I've said about ALPA regarding this issue.
10-17-2010, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by floydbird
Sounds like you may have clarifying information. Share it, please.
If ALPA is standing firm on a 1500 hour requirement, I would retract everything I've said about ALPA regarding this issue.
If ALPA is standing firm on a 1500 hour requirement, I would retract everything I've said about ALPA regarding this issue.
10-19-2010, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128
I don't think there is any clarifying information. To the best of my knowledge, ALPA hasn't taken a public position on this and is still studying the positions. Someone on the Education Committee or in the Government Affairs Department could probably give you more information, though. Call Herndon.
October 13, 2010
Committee Challenges New 1500 Hr Requirement For FO's
By Glenn Pew, Contributing Editor, Video Editor
The FAA's aviation safety bill passed earlier this year, but a new report suggests the included prerequisite 1,500 hours flight experience for commercial airline copilots may not be necessary. An FAA advisory committee led by a regional airline official has proposed that 500 actual flight hours may be enough. Language in the safety legislation says that the FAA Administrator "may allow specific academic training courses ... to be credited toward the total flight hours required." The committee suggests that through an elaborate structure of training courses, up to two-thirds of the safety law's required 1,500 flight hours could be satisfied with other credited training. The proposal is merely a recommendation and it is not clear that there is any wiggle room in other language that specifically imposes the flight hours requirement. Meanwhile, the proposal has reignited the total hours versus quality-of-training argument. And pilot groups, industry voices and safety advocates are weighing in.
Legislators who fought for the safety bill's language say the law explicitly requires 1,500 flight hours, and any modifications must be justified by a resultant increase in safety. The president of the Regional Airline Association, Roger Cohen, has a different opinion. Cohen said academic work is "far more useful in training pilots for modern airline operations" than hours spent "towing banners above the beach." As for the FAA, Administrator Randy Babbitt supports improved training over a general requirement for more flight hours. Babbitt has previously commented on the subject, saying "experience is not measured by flight time alone." The Regional Airline Association holds the view that a "proper mix of the experience and academic/training approaches" would best ensure safety. And two pilot groups represented on the committee have split on the issue. The Air Line Pilots Association backed the committee's recommendations, while the Coalition of Air Line Pilot Associations supported experience over even enhanced training.
10-19-2010, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128
Sounds good. You'll be expelled from the union, and then your contract's agency shop clause says you'll be terminated. Have fun with that.
Why are you listening to a newspaper article about what ALPA supports? How many times have we all seen reporters hand out blatantly inaccurate information about aviation issues? Did the thought ever occur that maybe this reporter doesn't have his facts straight?
Sounds good. You'll be expelled from the union, and then your contract's agency shop clause says you'll be terminated. Have fun with that.
Why are you listening to a newspaper article about what ALPA supports? How many times have we all seen reporters hand out blatantly inaccurate information about aviation issues? Did the thought ever occur that maybe this reporter doesn't have his facts straight?
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
As an incoming EVP of ALPA, you should...should...be ashamed of making knowingly false statements. Aw heck, never bothered you before, so why start now, right?
Yes a crewmember has the absolute legal right to refuse to join a union. They must pay the agency shop fee to cover the cost of maintaining the contract that they enjoy the benefits of. They may also refuse on religious reasons, in which case the member and union must agree on a designated charity or organization that an amount equivalent to the CMF must be paid monthly.
As to ALPA undercutting the hours requirement...funny...when it came out awhile back, I posted what ALPA was planning on doing...oddly exactly what they ARE doing...cutting a deal to help AABI, ATA and RAA. All at the behest of ERAU who was terrified that they'd see enrollment drop.
As I recall, you called me a malcontent and a liar.
So...tell you what Mr. New EVP. You now have a position of authority for your voting block. You have the ability to stand up...right here...right now...and DENOUNCE the position.
Will you? Will you tell all of us that you disagree with the lowering of standards and that you will lobby ALPA National to stand with APA, USAPA, SWAPA, IPA, IBT, CAPA...
AND the FAMILIES of Continental 3407...
and OPPOSE the reduction???
Step up...the whole world is watching.
Yes a crewmember has the absolute legal right to refuse to join a union. They must pay the agency shop fee to cover the cost of maintaining the contract that they enjoy the benefits of. They may also refuse on religious reasons, in which case the member and union must agree on a designated charity or organization that an amount equivalent to the CMF must be paid monthly.
As to ALPA undercutting the hours requirement...funny...when it came out awhile back, I posted what ALPA was planning on doing...oddly exactly what they ARE doing...cutting a deal to help AABI, ATA and RAA. All at the behest of ERAU who was terrified that they'd see enrollment drop.
As I recall, you called me a malcontent and a liar.
So...tell you what Mr. New EVP. You now have a position of authority for your voting block. You have the ability to stand up...right here...right now...and DENOUNCE the position.
Will you? Will you tell all of us that you disagree with the lowering of standards and that you will lobby ALPA National to stand with APA, USAPA, SWAPA, IPA, IBT, CAPA...
AND the FAMILIES of Continental 3407...
and OPPOSE the reduction???
Step up...the whole world is watching.
Well, the facts are out there...does anyone hear anything besides the sounds of crickets chirping?
10-19-2010, 07:57 AM
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PCL_128,
Thank you for confirming why I have been wanting to, and why I will stop being a member of ALPA. If you can't honestly see why a lot of us are completely fed up with ALPA then I just don't know what to say to you.
Thank you for confirming why I have been wanting to, and why I will stop being a member of ALPA. If you can't honestly see why a lot of us are completely fed up with ALPA then I just don't know what to say to you.
10-19-2010, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
PCL_128,
Thank you for confirming why I have been wanting to, and why I will stop being a member of ALPA. If you can't honestly see why a lot of us are completely fed up with ALPA then I just don't know what to say to you.
Thank you for confirming why I have been wanting to, and why I will stop being a member of ALPA. If you can't honestly see why a lot of us are completely fed up with ALPA then I just don't know what to say to you.
...wait!!!...he has a secret plan for ALPA to win over the SWAPA pilots...
10-20-2010, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
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Well, the facts are out there...does anyone hear anything besides the sounds of crickets chirping?
Well, the facts are out there...does anyone hear anything besides the sounds of crickets chirping?
Are you going to support the airline management and ALPA position or are you going to support the rest of the industry, the travelling public and your fellow pilots?
You've held yourself out as an ALPA spokesperson with an inside track.
Now you are an Executive Vice President.
It's time for you to speak up.
10-21-2010, 03:28 PM
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I say again, has it ever occurred to anyone that ALPA genuinely believes that safety would be served better by being able to substitute some of the hours required for an ATP with relevant courses offered by ABBI accredited institutions?
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