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gettinbumped 11-08-2010 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 898031)
There's been a time or two when i made the numbers work and presented them to the captain but they still decided to leave the commuter behind. Glad to hear ORD is getting better. Out here on the west coast the old skywest culture is well and alive.

Thanks guys. I never took it personally when all that JS Priority stuff was going on. Like I said, I couldn't get any flying dropped so I was fine getting left at home :).

98% of the time I get treated very well on Skywest, and that's a WAY higher percentage than I get on my own airline.

Thanks for taking the time to at hear my points, and for providing me your perspective as well.

Cheers

gettinbumped 11-08-2010 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 898016)
You can throw in
LAX-SMF
LAX-PHX
LAX-SJC
LAX-DFW
SFO-SAN
SFO-MCI
SFO-SEA
SFO-BUR
and so on. I do think RJ have a small nitche but these routes are not it.

Great point. When the RJ first came out, management sold it as a tool to extend the reach of the airline and create new routes that would grow and eventually become mainline. I wonder how those guys sleep at night spewing that kind of dishonest crap?

Hayduke 11-08-2010 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 898037)
Great point. When the RJ first came out, management sold it as a tool to extend the reach of the airline and create new routes that would grow and eventually become mainline. I wonder how those guys sleep at night spewing that kind of dishonest crap?

I've always heard horror stories about Tilton, but Skywest's management is increasingly resembling top UAL management. It's depressing.

I will say, though, that while the large majority of Skywest's UAX flying is fee for departure, an increasing amount is at-risk--routes that UAL doesn't want to fly at all and doesn't really want to pay someone much to fly. I don't have any problem with those at all--it's places like (I think) Duluth, Paducah, Asheville, Midland, and a number of others. I'd prefer it to be mainline flying, but I don't think mainline wants it period.

But LAX-PDX in a CRJ200 is ridiculous.

JustAMushroom 11-08-2010 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 897908)
By the way I'm not "Wrong, just wrong". How does contributing to the bottom line make any difference? Fact: UAL used to have close to 11,000 pilots. UAL Express used to have, dunno, 2000 pilots? Prior to the merger, UAL had 6000 pilots, UAL Express has 9000 pilots? UAL parked 100 airplanes and reduced capacity by almost the exact percentage that UAL Express GAINED capacity. I call that replacement. What do you call it?

I call it unfortunate.. brutal.. awful..

It's not the "fault" of pilots trying to get to the same place you are.

johnso29 11-08-2010 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by JustAMushroom (Post 898136)
I call it unfortunate.. brutal.. awful..

It's not the "fault" of pilots trying to get to the same place you are.

That depends on who you ask, but that's an entirely different thread.

Paid2fly 11-08-2010 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 898031)
There's been a time or two when i made the numbers work and presented them to the captain but they still decided to leave the commuter behind. Glad to hear ORD is getting better. Out here on the west coast the old skywest culture is well and alive.







Not sure what you mean by your last sentence? I've always been West Coast, and have NEVER denied a jumpseater!

RJDio 11-09-2010 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 898344)
Not sure what you mean by your last sentence? I've always been West Coast, and have NEVER denied a jumpseater!

I'm not trying to paint everyone with on the west coast with the same stroke but what I was alluding to was the disparity in seniority between PSP, LAX, SFO, FAT, SLC, vs. ORD and DEN. Most captains on the west coast are towards the top of the seniority list and most i fly with have never commuted. Therefore, they have no sympathy for commuters and some make the process of getting numbers (ballast) as hard as possible. Don't take it personal but when i was in ORD I saw this attitude less and its probably becasue most guys out there were commuters incuding myself at the time and know the sensitivity of the JS.

Again its the minority, but a bigger minority than the junior bases have.

rickair7777 11-09-2010 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 898355)
I'm not trying to paint everyone with on the west coast with the same stroke but what I was alluding to was the disparity in seniority between PSP, LAX, SFO, FAT, SLC, vs. ORD and DEN. Most captains on the west coast are towards the top of the seniority list and most i fly with have never commuted. Therefore, they have no sympathy for commuters and some make the process of getting numbers (ballast) as hard as possible. Don't take it personal but when i was in ORD I saw this attitude less and its probably becasue most guys out there were commuters incuding myself at the time and know the sensitivity of the JS.

Again its the minority, but a bigger minority than the junior bases have.

Odd, I don't ever recall flying with a CA who wouldn't make the effort to get a JSer on board. Of course there's bound to be one in every crowd, but I have never seen a cultural trend against JSer's in CA???

Terrain Inop 11-09-2010 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 898424)
Odd, I don't ever recall flying with a CA who wouldn't make the effort to get a JSer on board. Of course there's bound to be one in every crowd, but I have never seen a cultural trend against JSer's in CA???

Not on the SkyW Express side, in fact there are a few EMB CAs who have called meetings with BN (LAX CP), and the CS manager in LAX to try and resolve the issue of leaving NRs behind.

Captain Tony 11-09-2010 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 898161)
That depends on who you ask, but that's an entirely different thread.

Don't just fire a shot and run away. Let's hear your theory on why it's the pilots' fault after all. Wait, let me get some popcorn first.


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