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Natca 11-27-2010 06:58 AM

Foxnews - TSA not payed enough
 
I saw this on the news that, "TSA agents are paid less then workers at McDonalds".... the panel went on the declare that our security was in jeopardy due to these low paid and over worked folks. In closing they said "because everyone is requesting pat downs, we need to pay them more for the extra work....

I will try to find the article online later, but this is insane that a TSA worker now MAY have a chance at making more then myself and a lot of my fellow co-workers here in the regional airline industry. This is not right guys.

kc135driver 11-27-2010 07:17 AM

Yeah, that will fix the problem....

My sister-in-law has been a TSA screener (not mgmt) since after 9/11 and makes between 25-35K a year. I made about 18K my first year at ASA back in 97.

clipperskipper 11-27-2010 07:23 AM

Lemme know when a McDonalds worker makes $27431 a year, his first year. This is the pay for a GS-5 step 1 which is what most starting TSA security positions are advertised. This does not include locality pay which is 24.8% for BOS for example.

kc135driver 11-27-2010 07:30 AM

Actually, unless they have recently switched back to GS I believe they are on a SV scale:

TSA: Pay Scales at TSA (2010)

Still a lot of money for a job that only requires a pulse:

USAJOBS - Search Jobs

Captain Tony 11-27-2010 07:44 AM

Maybe if every checkpoint didn't have 25% more blue shirts than they need, with literally 10+ people standing around doing nothing at all times, they could pay them more?

elmetal 11-27-2010 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 907507)
Maybe if every checkpoint didn't have 25% more blue shirts than they need, with literally 10+ people standing around doing nothing at all times, they could pay them more?


You haven't been around government work too long have you?


just joking. But seriously, inefficiency is the government's mission statement

mshunter 11-27-2010 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 907507)
Maybe if every checkpoint didn't have 25% more blue shirts than they need, with literally 10+ people standing around doing nothing at all times, they could pay them more?


Well, Thousnads Standing Around seems to fit then, doesn't it.

Edit to add: The news source is Faux News. It holds about as much weight as a hot fart!

elmetal 11-27-2010 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by mshunter (Post 907519)
Well, Thousnads Standing Around seems to fit then, doesn't it.

Edit to add: The news source is Faux News. It holds about as much weight as a hot fart!

The problem is that hot fart is smelled by and loved by more than half of this country.

mshunter 11-27-2010 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by elmetal (Post 907524)
The problem is that hot fart is smelled by and loved by more than half of this country.


That all depends on who's around. But if they up the pay for these lazy people, I'm going to quit flying and start screening. I'd love to sit on my duff and make $50k a year.

johnso29 11-27-2010 08:11 AM

I don't know why anyone is surprised. It's FOX News.

Marticat 11-27-2010 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907532)
I don't know why anyone is surprised. It's FOX News.

Yup ----- "Fear Of X_____" News !

If we haven't scared you yet, we'll find, or create, something new soon !

clipperskipper 11-27-2010 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by kc135driver (Post 907498)
Actually, unless they have recently switched back to GS I believe they are on a SV scale:

TSA: Pay Scales at TSA (2010)

Still a lot of money for a job that only requires a pulse:

USAJOBS - Search Jobs

Sure which is why America wants to work for America's largest employer.
TSA has actually been increasing pay bands for certain jobs (not check in security). There was a BOS cargo recently that was J band (GS-14).

BlueMoon 11-27-2010 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907532)
I don't know why anyone is surprised. It's FOX News.

No kidding, so much for smaller government and reduced government spending.

Outsource the TSA, go to the fair tax and get rid of the IRS. That'll cut some spending.

OnMyWay 11-27-2010 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 907567)
No kidding, so much for smaller government and reduced government spending.

Outsource the TSA, go to the fair tax and get rid of the IRS. That'll cut some spending.

:eek: OH MY GOSH, you're such a racist!!!









(Extreme sarcasm)

Lab Rat 11-27-2010 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Natca (Post 907470)

I will try to find the article online later, but this is insane that a TSA worker now MAY have a chance at making more then myself and a lot of my fellow co-workers here in the regional airline industry. This is not right guys.

Why is it insane? If you want to make more money than you need to negotiate with your employer more effectively.

DYNASTY HVY 11-27-2010 10:53 AM

This schould help move things along .:)
Perfect Storm: TSA Workers Allowed to Unionize - TSA - Fox Nation

The Air Traveler Dignity Act - TSA - Fox Nation

Can't imagine what the next 20 years in air travel will look like , anyone willing to take a guess?:rolleyes:


Fred

saxman66 11-27-2010 11:18 AM

The Tub Stackers of America don't get paid enough? Thats a first! They need to install those tub conveyer belts that return the tubs back to the beginning of the X-ray. That way you never run out of tubs. That will get rid of at least a handful of them for each checkpoint. :D

The Juice 11-27-2010 12:49 PM

Seems that many people think that if someone makes more than they do it is ridiculous. What TSA makes should have no bearing on what you make as a pilot, apples and oranges.

The same people who want them making $12,000 a year are the same people who post on the forums about how incompetent they are...these realities are not mutually exclusive

CaptKrunch 11-27-2010 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907532)
I don't know why anyone is surprised. It's FOX News.

If it was CNN ( communist new network) it would read " TSA is underpaid and it's GWBs fault."

johnso29 11-27-2010 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by CaptKrunch (Post 907661)
If it was CNN ( communist new network) it would read " TSA is underpaid and it's GWBs fault."

I agree that they all suck. Why anyone watches either of those garbage news channels is beyond me. They're both pieces of crap.

JDFlyer 11-27-2010 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by CaptKrunch (Post 907661)
If it was CNN ( communist new network) it would read " TSA is underpaid and it's GWBs fault."

I know . . . . historical facts are a real son of a gun . . . you do remember who signed into law the Aviation and Transportation Security Act on November 19, 2001 . . . you know that little law that created the TSA? ;)

makersmarc 11-27-2010 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907532)
I don't know why anyone is surprised. It's FOX News.

So.....now the thread is about Fox News?

Let it be understood that the left absolutely hates Fox. Whenever a story comes up, regardless of the topic they roll their eyes and the most intelligent thing they can say in rebuttal is "well, it is Faux News..."

lolwut 11-27-2010 03:20 PM

Didn't you guys all see the national ALPA prime-time commercial about how airline pilots aren't paid enough?

Oh wait, that hasn't happened.

SpeedyVagabond 11-27-2010 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by makersmarc (Post 907689)
So.....now the thread is about Fox News?

Let it be understood that the left absolutely hates Fox. Whenever a story comes up, regardless of the topic they roll their eyes and the most intelligent thing they can say in rebuttal is "well, it is Faux News..."

Have you ever actually watched Fox News. I compare it to the USA Today. I feel about 50 IQ points dumber when exposed to either.

johnpeace 11-27-2010 03:51 PM


Let it be understood that the left absolutely hates Fox.
So do other non-idiot people.

johnso29 11-27-2010 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by makersmarc (Post 907689)
So.....now the thread is about Fox News?

Let it be understood that the left absolutely hates Fox. Whenever a story comes up, regardless of the topic they roll their eyes and the most intelligent thing they can say in rebuttal is "well, it is Faux News..."

Well the story was reported by......drumroll...........FOX News. The title of the thread includes the name......drumroll.........FOX News. So yes, this thread does have to do WITH FOX News.

Second, I'll ask that no one turns this into a political mud slinging fest. I made no comment about the right or left. If this turns political the thread will be shutdown.

AKASHA 11-27-2010 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907704)
Well the story was reported by......drumroll...........FOX News. The title of the thread includes the name......drumroll.........FOX News. So yes, this thread does have to do WITH FOX News.

Second, I'll ask that no one turns this into a political mud slinging fest. I made no comment about the right or left. If this turns political the thread will be shutdown.

You take a swipe at an openly right organziation like FOX News... then you warn about turning the thread political. Is that a joke?

clipperskipper 11-27-2010 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by JDFlyer (Post 907679)
I know . . . . historical facts are a real son of a gun . . . you do remember who signed into law the Aviation and Transportation Security Act on November 19, 2001 . . . you know that little law that created the TSA? ;)

Umm I'll take US Presidents for $200 Alex...whois Bush 43?

johnso29 11-27-2010 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by AKASHA (Post 907707)
You take a swipe at an openly right organziation like FOX News... then you warn about turning the thread political. Is that a joke?

No, it's not a joke. FOX News is a news network, not a political party. I made no mention of a political party.

johnso29 11-27-2010 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by AKASHA (Post 907707)
You take a swipe at an openly right organziation like FOX News... then you warn about turning the thread political. Is that a joke?

Perhaps you should read this post as well.



Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907675)
I agree that they all suck. Why anyone watches either of those garbage news channels is beyond me. They're both pieces of crap.


AKASHA 11-27-2010 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907716)
No, it's not a joke. FOX News is a news network, not a political party. I made no mention of a political party.

Well OK... but don't tell it to Fox News Channel president Roger Ailes. You'll insult the old man. He makes NO APOLOGIES about his political news channel. He's been a Rebublican consultant for presidents Nixon, Regan and Bush. Rumors are that he may make a run of his own for the Republican nomination in 2012.

You are either well aware of you connotations when you swipe at Fox News, or you live under a rock.

johnso29 11-27-2010 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by AKASHA (Post 907722)
Well OK... but don't tell it to Fox News Channel president Roger Ailes. You'll insult the old man. He makes NO APOLOGIES about his political news channel. He's been a Rebublican consultant for presidents Nixon, Regan and Bush. Rumors are that he may make a run of his own for the Republican nomination in 2012.

You are either well aware of you connotations when you swipe at Fox News, or you live under a rock.

I see. I state that FOX News & CNN stink, & you automatically make an assumption about my political preference. I'll have you know my political preference has ZERO influence on my opinion of FOX News. BTW, I know hard right wingers who hate FOX News.

Marticat 11-27-2010 05:09 PM

Going back over to the TSA side of the discussion ---- if I remember correctly, it was established to replace the loosly organized, poorly trained, lowly paid private security screeners that allowed 19 bad guys to board airplanes with box cutters to cut pilots throats. So far so good -- no repeats to date. Still gotta work on those underwear bombers. Yes -- it has been expensive. Yes -- it is inconvenient. It's not quite as intrusive as that full body search under the watchful eyes of the guy with the machine gun I had to go thru in Taiwan back when the commies were coming.

Who really cares how much they're paid. It's certainly a job I would never want to do --almost as much fun as being a gate agent when flights are getting cancelled.

AKASHA 11-27-2010 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907729)
I see. I state that FOX News & CNN stink, & you automatically make an assumption about my political preference. I'll have you know my political preference has ZERO influence on my opinion of FOX News. BTW, I know hard right wingers who hate FOX News.

Your CNN comment came later when you realized your mistake and went for damage control. Its all good though. I don't care for these channels myself. I just found it amusing that you join in on the Fox bashing and then suddenly warn the others about going political.

Anyway, enough with that. I agree that it needs to get back on topic.

JDFlyer 11-27-2010 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907716)
FOX News is a news network, not a political party.

Please, truly do not take this post personally, I do not mean it to be but . . . . hahahahahahahahahahahahah . . . . gasp/breathe . . . . . hahahahahahahah . . . . . . rolling on floor . . . . . . whoohoohahahahahahahahahahahah . . . . . . wiping tears from eyes . . . . gasp/breathe . . . . . hahahahahahahahahahah . . . . . off to change underwear from soiling myself!!!! :D

150Aerobat 11-27-2010 05:48 PM

ill get it back on topic by ranting against the TSA!!

Ill just say I really hope they keep their hands off the GA side of aviation, because they have ruined commercial travel. I honestly do not enjoy flying with a major airline anymore, It used to be fun! On the other hand, the worse they get, the better the private side of aviation looks. So as much as I dislike the way things are at airports, it means job security for GA pilots!

makersmarc 11-27-2010 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by JDFlyer (Post 907737)
Please, truly do not take this post personally, I do not mean it to be but . . . . hahahahahahahahahahahahah . . . . gasp/breathe . . . . . hahahahahahahah . . . . . . rolling on floor . . . . . . whoohoohahahahahahahahahahahah . . . . . . wiping tears from eyes . . . . gasp/breathe . . . . . hahahahahahahahahahah . . . . . off to change underwear from soiling myself!!!! :D

Okay, I get it. Fox News is not a news organization. Just like the New York Times is not a newspaper.

pause 11-27-2010 07:37 PM

The NEW TSA stands for....

Touch
Squeeze
Assault

Paid2fly 11-27-2010 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Marticat (Post 907733)
Going back over to the TSA side of the discussion ---- if I remember correctly, it was established to replace the loosly organized, poorly trained, lowly paid private security screeners that allowed 19 bad guys to board airplanes with box cutters to cut pilots throats. So far so good -- no repeats to date. Still gotta work on those underwear bombers. Yes -- it has been expensive. Yes -- it is inconvenient. It's not quite as intrusive as that full body search under the watchful eyes of the guy with the machine gun I had to go thru in Taiwan back when the commies were coming.

Who really cares how much they're paid. It's certainly a job I would never want to do --almost as much fun as being a gate agent when flights are getting cancelled.



The problem is, they hired most of those "lowly paid private security screeners that allowed 19 bad guys to board airplanes with box cutters", as TSA agents...

DashDriverYV 11-28-2010 12:25 AM


Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 907801)
The problem is, they hired most of those "lowly paid private security screeners that allowed 19 bad guys to board airplanes with box cutters", as TSA agents...

the real fun thing is post 9/11 we fixed the one thing that wasn't broken. The nut bag islamic extremest did not carry anything through security that was on the banned list.
Airport security is all it can be, it will not get any better regardless of how much we pay them.


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