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lakehouse 12-19-2010 01:19 PM

right but I have seasonal work, spend 3 months of the year unemployed, and do not make much money. My point is regionals can be a HUGE pay jump for some people. I know some people flying jumpers who make $10/load and do that full time, needless to say they are living on 15k/yr, and are happy and budgeted for it. However going to somewhere like Eagle means 25k first year and 30k second, trust me they are not complaining at all. Esp those who are 23, single, low debt, college grads, and ready to move on in life.


Originally Posted by belliott (Post 918574)
He isn't bitter and he doesn't work for GLA... I work with this guy and he is positive and upbeat all of the time. He is just offering a realistic point of view which may not sit well with people but at least its the truth. I too went from hauling boxes to a regional and took a substantial pay/QOL cut in doing so... but truth be told I would have made the same decisions if I had to do it all over again.


FlyJSH 12-19-2010 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 918415)
Not to be a jerk but you just sound bitter. I would have stuck somewhere like Wiggins, got the pic turbine time for 35k/year and moved on, why you downgraded to Lakes is beyond me.

As was said, I do not work for Lakes. I quit flying the Caravan when it looked like the company was going to be sold. I could have stayed on, but on a resume 2000 hours of turbine SEL isn't worth any more than 1000 Turbine SEL. In the seven years I worked for the air ambulance company flying a C421, we went from 7 fixed wing and 13 helo bases down to just two. I left about 6-8 months before my base closed, and I would have been unemployed.


This year I will finally make as much as I did in the 421 (four years ago), and things seem to be improving. That said, I do keep an eye on Mountain Air, Skydive Deland, Vintage Props and Jets (forgot, they went belly up :( ), and a couple others (nothing against Wiggins, but they fly where it is COLD!). You never know when things will change like a terrorist attack, speculators doubling the price of oil, or the mainlines miraculously taking back ALL of their flying. So you gotta have a contingency plan.

Captain Tony 12-19-2010 02:41 PM

Talk about irony, but this is sounding a lot like the "move to a legacy and start over or stay senior at a regional" debate.

lakehouse 12-19-2010 03:53 PM

I know some people at Deland, shoot me a PM I might be able to help. Flying jumpers full time with a turbine will most likely max out at about 1k/week. so 50k a year is the max, if your on salary, per load will always work out to being less in the big picture.


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 918596)
As was said, I do not work for Lakes. I quit flying the Caravan when it looked like the company was going to be sold. I could have stayed on, but on a resume 2000 hours of turbine SEL isn't worth any more than 1000 Turbine SEL. In the seven years I worked for the air ambulance company flying a C421, we went from 7 fixed wing and 13 helo bases down to just two. I left about 6-8 months before my base closed, and I would have been unemployed.


This year I will finally make as much as I did in the 421 (four years ago), and things seem to be improving. That said, I do keep an eye on Mountain Air, Skydive Deland, Vintage Props and Jets (forgot, they went belly up :( ), and a couple others (nothing against Wiggins, but they fly where it is COLD!). You never know when things will change like a terrorist attack, speculators doubling the price of oil, or the mainlines miraculously taking back ALL of their flying. So you gotta have a contingency plan.


FlyJSH 12-19-2010 05:27 PM

Thanks Rick, but I am good for now.

CANAM 12-19-2010 06:32 PM

As long as there are 300 hour wonders out there, willing to sleep under mom and dad's roof, this problem will forever continue. We are our own worst enemies. Second only to those people who claim the "shortage is right around the corner."

nordo 12-19-2010 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 918673)
... Second only to those people who claim the "shortage is right around the corner."

You mean it's not? :rolleyes: Oh, the Humanity!

Luv2Rotate 12-19-2010 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 918577)
those who are 23, single, low debt, college grads, and ready to move on in life.

Wow, wish that could be me...
I worked graveyards at 7-11 to help put me through college and did a tour of duty at Lowes while in flight school.
So, even though I've been "paying the dues" for a while now, I have no hindsight regarding change in my career path. I just hope we can all unite as a GROUP and get better pay for what we do. Going to GLA is like slu*ting yourself out for a piece of bazooka gum (the flavor lasts for about a minute then its gone).

belliott 12-19-2010 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate (Post 918721)
Wow, wish that could be me...
I worked graveyards at 7-11 to help put me through college and did a tour of duty at Lowes while in flight school.
So, even though I've been "paying the dues" for a while now, I have no hindsight regarding change in my career path. I just hope we can all unite as a GROUP and get better pay for what we do. Going to GLA is like slu*ting yourself out for a piece of bazooka gum (the flavor lasts for about a minute then its gone).

I worked my way through college too... thats why it took me 6 years. I am still paying my dues too. Right now it sucks... I try to view this period of time as a residency/journeyman's apprenticeship... stay positive because it will get better in time and keep in mind that it could always be worse.


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 918577)
right but I have seasonal work, spend 3 months of the year unemployed, and do not make much money. My point is regionals can be a HUGE pay jump for some people. I know some people flying jumpers who make $10/load and do that full time, needless to say they are living on 15k/yr, and are happy and budgeted for it. However going to somewhere like Eagle means 25k first year and 30k second, trust me they are not complaining at all. Esp those who are 23, single, low debt, college grads, and ready to move on in life.

Been there done that... I worked 6 months on and 6 off... I know how it goes. After 2.5 years at my current employer I will make 30k... I have quite a few friends at places like Eagle, Air Wis, PSA, and Horizon that complain just as much if not more than those friends of mine at Colgan, CommutAir, and Gulfstream. Quite simply.. the regionals suck.

ImperialxRat 12-20-2010 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 918105)
Just as important, going from ten legacy airlines to three means you can only have three bad interviews and you're done. (If you can even get three interviews)

That's bad for pilots.

The plus side for pilots is that if you get hired by one of them, you can hopefully have a stable career... who knows.


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