lose scope or your pension, which way do you think the majority will go?

 

apa will loosen up on scope and bring back b-scale to keep pension for all or no b-scale and all coming to AA as new hires will be locked out of a and b funds and only have a
401k to keep AMR and investment firms happy.

 

Well since you put it that way. Pension

 

AMR divesting Eagle is about on par with Hell Freezing Over....

It sounds good, but then they'd have noplace to hide or shift the money to/from... it also sounds good anytime an AMR pilot group is in negotiations... like the APA is right now, and Eagle will be in another year or so.

When Eagle cancels they don't get paid.... when the outside subcontractors got cancelled, they still got paid. The outside sub's made enough money to go out and buy places like Midwest and Frontier... AMR selling or divesting Eagle would be a disservice to their shareholders... but it would make the APA happy, until the APA realizes that they would be trading one pilot group willing to fly APA routes, for several pilot groups willing to fly APA routes....

Sometimes the Devil you know is better than the one you don't. I vote to keep Eagle, and sice we're already stuck with 1/2 their list... let's just take the other half, form one list, and keep ALL the flying on our list. Of course I do not expect much support for the idea from ALPA since they would be losing 3,000 dues paying members. We also have to deal with the few remaining phallus's here who refuse to even consider merging Eagle into the APA list... Does making one list turn recent new hires at Eagle into potential furlough fodder? Perhaps it does. There are ways to mitigate that. However, the long term benefits of taking the risk can only benefit the overall pilot group and the profession....

 

+1 on all of that, especially the money shifting stuff.

 

All old news.

There's one big differences this time with regard to this being another smokescreen to force Eagle ALPA to knuckle under to concessions and that is timing.

This time, idle threats won't be enough. AMR would actually have to officially announce a plan to divest Eagle, specifics on what it means for Eagle pilots in the negative and how certain concessions would avoid the negatives. AMR can't bang this drum forever and a good many Eagle pilots are already waving the B.S. flag (right or wrong). AMR cannot play this old card (and it is an OLD card) in perpiuity this time and will actually have to make good on their threats or result in it being seen as a facade.

The next few months should demonstrate if this is a true interest in getting out of the feed ownership business or simply a concession club like the past. If the goal is simply concessions, they'll actually have to make contact with the club this time. You'd think one list would be the solution to scope, but unless AMR plays, it's moot.

They're gonna have to show their colors this time to the Eagle pilots one way or the other, because unless Eagle ALPA overrides the will of the membership and MEC ratifies concessions based on threat alone, it won't happen. If they did this, they'd be recalled en masse in a heartbeat............should be an interesting show though.

 

Sorry, what I meant to say was that the majority will probably want to loosen scope vs losing their pension