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jmartin 02-23-2011 05:53 AM

Eagle or Pinnacle??
 
Which one would you choose??

Lone Palm 02-23-2011 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by jmartin (Post 952743)
Which one would you choose??


Try to pick one you won't have to commute going to. If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to answer them. That said, there are a lot of opportunities opening up at the new Pinnacle as well as a decent amount of hiring scheduled for this year.

quinny89 02-23-2011 06:43 AM

4 weeks ago i would have said Eagle all the way, but now with a possible pending spin off, and Pinnacle having a new contract signed last week (giving at least Mesaba pilots a raise, not 100% sure about everyone, don't want to give out bad info), i would lean towards Pinnacle, they seem like the stronger for the immediate future. Just my .02 cents!

I also agree with Lone Palm, whichever one would give you no commute, or the easiest commute.

jmartin 02-23-2011 07:32 AM

Well I will relocate to both places... I have an offer with Eagle, and could get an interview with Pinnacle. I'd love ATL base, if not, I'd move to ORD with Eagle..

Bartok 02-23-2011 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by quinny89 (Post 952791)
4 weeks ago i would have said Eagle all the way, but now with a possible pending spin off, and Pinnacle having a new contract signed last week (giving at least Mesaba pilots a raise, not 100% sure about everyone, don't want to give out bad info), i would lean towards Pinnacle, they seem like the stronger for the immediate future. Just my .02 cents!

I also agree with Lone Palm, whichever one would give you no commute, or the easiest commute.

Lol, try everyone got a raise except Mesaba

LivnthedrM 02-23-2011 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by jmartin (Post 952833)
Well I will relocate to both places... I have an offer with Eagle, and could get an interview with Pinnacle. I'd love ATL base, if not, I'd move to ORD with Eagle..

It seems they are telling people at the Pinnacle interviews that ATL is not an option because it's a CRJ900, senior base. So maybe that will help with your decision.

quinny89 02-23-2011 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 952852)
Lol, try everyone got a raise except Mesaba

My buddy flies for Mesaba, said he got a raise that begins on the 18th?

PinkSlip 02-23-2011 09:14 AM

Why would you NOT want to work for Pinnacle? Are you trying to say it's not a good company? This post made me upset, so I signed up to ask you this question.

PinkSlip 02-23-2011 09:16 AM

I'm waiting for an answer.

Bartok 02-23-2011 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by quinny89 (Post 952918)
My buddy flies for Mesaba, said he got a raise that begins on the 18th?

The majority at XJ did not get a raise, he must be a jet FO if he got one.

quinny89 02-23-2011 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 952931)
The majority at XJ did not get a raise, he must be a jet FO if he got one.

That's correct, he's a jet FO.

tom14cat14 02-23-2011 09:37 AM

well 200 fo got $1 raise so i guess you call that a raise. 900 guys i think got more. The 2 other carries had much larger raises then we got.

Andrew_VT 02-23-2011 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by PinkSlip (Post 952923)
Why would you NOT want to work for Pinnacle? Are you trying to say it's not a good company? This post made me upset, so I signed up to ask you this question.

Are you for real? Damn dude.

FLowpayFO 02-23-2011 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by PinkSlip (Post 952923)
Why would you NOT want to work for Pinnacle? Are you trying to say it's not a good company? This post made me upset, so I signed up to ask you this question.

You should be a comedian!

Ramprat 02-23-2011 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by PinkSlip (Post 952923)
Why would you NOT want to work for Pinnacle? Are you trying to say it's not a good company? This post made me upset, so I signed up to ask you this question.

http://forum.grasscity.com/photopost...eIfSerious.jpg

rightside02 02-23-2011 12:22 PM

Come to pinnacle as you will be below me on the list :D:D:D

All bs aside , I have only been here since sept of last year and I have no complaints. I have gotten extended only once and the flight ended up getting canceled so I didn't have to do it. Otter than that knock on wood I have had a very easy going nice experience. I knot not everyone has had such luck here , and I am also coming into this place when things sound like they may turn around. Guys have been on reserve here for years with the old contract. Unlike me maybe the timing was better. But no one could have predicted anything.

I also have a buddy that went to eagle . And he is very pleased as well . Says he is having a good time overall. He did mention training was tough ,

Atl as of now is a more senior base, but I wouldn't be surprised if that changed with the new pay rate.
A guy only one class ahead of me
Just got called for atl on the 900 and
He is was junior. So things change all the time .


Good luck

CAPTAINPCL 02-23-2011 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by PinkSlip (Post 952923)
Why would you NOT want to work for Pinnacle? Are you trying to say it's not a good company? This post made me upset, so I signed up to ask you this question.

Is this the one and only "Pink Slip Peoples"??? If so, don't you have better things to be doing, like giving out pinks??

higney85 02-23-2011 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL (Post 953109)
Is this the one and only "Pink Slip Peoples"??? If so, don't you have better things to be doing, like giving out pinks??

If that is indeed the guy with the nickname I would first be surprised, but I would also say the guy is actually fair. He simply expects you to know your stuff and be by the book.

Flyby1206 02-23-2011 01:45 PM

Both are great companies, and offer very similar compensation, bases, equip, etc.

I can only speak for Eagle, but it has been steady and stable for the past decade. No telling what tomorrow holds, but we will find out then. The training department is top notch. The training is intense and they expect you to study hard, but you will come out as a better pilot than you went in. Eagle is hiring 600 for 2011, classes every two weeks and all bases/equip except LAX.

CAPTAINPCL 02-23-2011 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 953114)
If that is indeed the guy with the nickname I would first be surprised, but I would also say the guy is actually fair. He simply expects you to know your stuff and be by the book.

I know, I was being little sarcastic. I have had him for many of my PC's and never had a problem.

mooney 02-23-2011 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 953114)
If that is indeed the guy with the nickname I would first be surprised, but I would also say the guy is actually fair. He simply expects you to know your stuff and be by the book.

You are not allowed to say that on here. You will be labeled a "company man" and a liar for defending any check airman, even if he gave the pink slip for being 4 months behind on Jepps, turning the screen red on 3 V1 cuts or turning into a mountain in Helena while making up your own missed approach by flying the terrain mode map. Trust me it happened to me :)

higney85 02-23-2011 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 953161)
You are not allowed to say that on here. You will be labeled a "company man" and a liar for defending any check airman, even if he gave the pink slip for being 4 months behind on Jepps, turning the screen red on 3 V1 cuts or turning into a mountain in Helena while making up your own missed approach by flying the terrain mode map. Trust me it happened to me :)

Some of the "company" guys got a bit spooled up over the bonus because it involved money. While I don't appreciate some of the personal issues that caused, but I understand the gripe. Call me a "Company" guy, if you can work out some positive space tickets from MEM-DTW-MEM that would be great too....

Qotsaautopilot 02-23-2011 05:15 PM

If the 90%+ yes vote for the new contract says anything about the Pinnacle/Mesaba/Cogan guys then I say go to Eagle because clearly the other guys have no interest in improving this profession and are bringing us all down.

Sturbmaster 02-23-2011 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 952852)
Lol, try everyone got a raise except Mesaba

Getting to keep your jobs is the raise Mesaba got. How many of your guys would have got furloughed if we didn't buy you guys?

bertengineer 02-23-2011 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 953161)
You are not allowed to say that on here. You will be labeled a "company man" and a liar for defending any check airman, even if he gave the pink slip for being 4 months behind on Jepps, turning the screen red on 3 V1 cuts or turning into a mountain in Helena while making up your own missed approach by flying the terrain mode map. Trust me it happened to me :)

What are you trying to say?

Bartok 02-23-2011 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Sturbmaster (Post 953271)
Getting to keep your jobs is the raise Mesaba got. How many of your guys would have got furloughed if we didn't buy you guys?

You bought us, that's funny.

I love how people are so tied to their companies when it suits them and bashing them when they feel like it.

Hypocrites

Qotsaautopilot 02-23-2011 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Sturbmaster (Post 953271)
Getting to keep your jobs is the raise Mesaba got. How many of your guys would have got furloughed if we didn't buy you guys?

you didnt buy anything. you just happen to work for a bottom feeding regional that has made enough money off your own back that THEY bought another airline. Your YES vote hurts us all.

sandlapper223 02-23-2011 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 953269)
If the 90%+ yes vote for the new contract says anything about the Pinnacle/Mesaba/Cogan guys then I say go to Eagle because clearly the other guys have no interest in improving this profession and are bringing us all down.

...'splain please.

FlyJSH 02-24-2011 12:21 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 953288)
you didnt buy anything. you just happen to work for a bottom feeding regional that has made enough money off your own back that THEY bought another airline. Your YES vote hurts us all.

Thank you, ohhh THANK YOU!

I haven't been called a bottom feeder in months. :rolleyes:

Pinchanickled 02-24-2011 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 953161)
he gave the pink slip for being 4 months behind on Jepps, turning the screen red on 3 V1 cuts or turning into a mountain in Helena while making up your own missed approach by flying the terrain mode map.

Interesting how the majority of the failures seem to come from one check airmen who has no personality, no charm, and never smiles, while the other check airmen don't have nicknames and reputations. Why would 9E let a man continue to be a check airmen when people constantly call in sick for his checkrides? Oh....I remember, we have terrible management, that's why.

Could it be that "Pink-Slip" creates a "nerve-racking" environment by his straight face, acts like a drill sergeant, poor choice of words, and has no conversational skills what-so-ever, no people skills, turns up the heat (figuratively) during the checkride, which massively contributes to a terrible reputation that sets the stage for poor performance in the simulator and brings out the worst during your checkride???

Could it be any of those???


PS....I hope it is really you pinkslip, and I hope you read this!

mooney 02-24-2011 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 953269)
If the 90%+ yes vote for the new contract says anything about the Pinnacle/Mesaba/Cogan guys then I say go to Eagle because clearly the other guys have no interest in improving this profession and are bringing us all down.

Gotta love the flaming newbies, especially the ones that just walked into a mature decent contract and never had to fight for one. It's funny that you are knocking my airline, because I quit yours '98 because the pay there was HORRIBLE (13.96/hr and WE PAID MORE THAN YOURS so I came here. Do a little history lesson and realize there is no "better than yours." It goes in cycles, when you get a few hundred more hours and years in this industry you will see that. How many XJET guys are slam clickers when they fly with you?

Oh the irony...I am currently making $2/hr more than my CA counterpart at XJT, and come DEC it will be $6/hr more and cheaper health insurance and I didn't have to waste money commuting or moving....care to explain that one kimosabe?

mooney 02-24-2011 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 953171)
Some of the "company" guys got a bit spooled up over the bonus because it involved money. While I don't appreciate some of the personal issues that caused, but I understand the gripe. Call me a "Company" guy, if you can work out some positive space tickets from MEM-DTW-MEM that would be great too....

I'll give you my buddy passes!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:;)

Bartok 02-24-2011 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 953269)
If the 90%+ yes vote for the new contract says anything about the Pinnacle/Mesaba/Cogan guys then I say go to Eagle because clearly the other guys have no interest in improving this profession and are bringing us all down.

Or maybe a 90% yes vote says it's probably a pretty decent contract?

jayray2 02-24-2011 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 953560)
Or maybe a 90% yes vote says it's probably a pretty decent contract?

Or maybe it says the Union did a good deal of selling it. I've talked to very few people that thought it was a good contract. I have talked to a lot of people that were afraid for their jobs and voted yes. This contract is not industry leading, it is average, it did not raise the industry at the top, it just lifted two carriers up to average.

mooney 02-24-2011 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 953560)
Or maybe a 90% yes vote says it's probably a pretty decent contract?


no you and I just voted it in at all costs so we could get that quick upgrade...

mooney 02-24-2011 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 920245)
Yeah, sure, you'd vote no on a contract that gives you (in Mesaba's case) higher pay rates, whipsaw/fragmentation protection, better work rules and benefits all around, job security and an actual chance at an upgrade in two years (verses a possible job loss). I'm sure you would vote no.


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 953564)
Or maybe it says the Union did a good deal of selling it. I've talked to very few people that thought it was a good contract. I have talked to a lot of people that were afraid for their jobs and voted yes. This contract is not industry leading, it is average, it did not raise the industry at the top, it just lifted two carriers up to average.

Why the change of heart? Just curious personally I don't care how anyone voted for themseles.

IBPilot 02-24-2011 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 953294)
This would be original if it were not coming from an express jet FO. It has been said before, many times over. The express jet/colgan debate has been going strong for a few years now.

So we can avoid your post being construed as pure flamebait I would be open to hear your thoughts on a few subjects.

-What have you specifically done to improve this industry other than getting hired at express jet under a contract that was negotiated prior to your arrival?

-Under the Pinnacle/Colgan/Mesaba new JCBA, which points in particular do you feel bring down the industry as a whole?

Just trying to keep this on topic since the Colgan bottom feeder comments are as common place as the PFT threads and go jet inquiries. Id be interested in hearing your points.


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 895717)
I'm asking for higher priority. When the people get on my plane they are getting on Continental flight xxxx. Why is that I shouldnt have equal nonrev benefits? And for that matter pay, contract, and seniority at said airline. The second you agree that you shouldnt have the same board priority as a mainline employee is the second you agree that you are not as important as them. When you get left behind because the mainline ramper that just got hired last week beat you on you are saying that he is more important than you. I would say that you or I have much more invested in that mainline carrier than said ramper. WAKE UP!


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 896362)
to all the people giving me crap: If you work at mainline I beg beg beg you to bring the flying back to mainline and put me out of work. The sad part about this industry is that in an effort to reach my end goal of working at a major airline and having all the perks that come along with that goal I have to be apart of the problem that brings down the future of that position. The military is an option instead of the RJ but lets be honest, once you go military these days you are going military for life.


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 953269)
If the 90%+ yes vote for the new contract says anything about the Pinnacle/Mesaba/Cogan guys then I say go to Eagle because clearly the other guys have no interest in improving this profession and are bringing us all down.

Qots, I threw USMC-SGT's post in ther so you can answer it here and look intelligent since you ran away from it on the other threrad. I posted your other threads to show how hypoctitical you are....telling mainline pilots to take back their flying and that regionals shouldn't exist but then you go and get a job at one for 22K a year :rolleyes:

But then you when the mainline guys aren't looking you tell the world how you have the same job they do so you should get the same nonrev priority on THEIR airplanes as they do.

So tell me how much you have made so far in your first year there and what you have that makes your crappy regional better than our crappy regional?

Bartok 02-24-2011 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 953564)
Or maybe it says the Union did a good deal of selling it. I've talked to very few people that thought it was a good contract. I have talked to a lot of people that were afraid for their jobs and voted yes. This contract is not industry leading, it is average, it did not raise the industry at the top, it just lifted two carriers up to average.

I don't think it's industry leading either, I like ASA's contract and this one is not better than theirs but it is equal to it in a number of ways. Sometimes the differences between the 2 has to do with whether you are junior or senior to how much either contract helps you.

It is not average by any respect, it brought Pinnacle and Colgan up to the top standards for a regional.

Airsupport 02-24-2011 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 953571)
Why the change of heart? Just curious personally I don't care how anyone voted for themseles.

oh come on mooney. you know who it is. once the contract passes we have the "dont blame me I voted no" crowd. they are the same people who voted yes but act like they voted no so they can be cool.

Sturbmaster 02-24-2011 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 953280)
You bought us, that's funny.

I love how people are so tied to their companies when it suits them and bashing them when they feel like it.

Hypocrites

Really, so then who bought you? Maybe I missed the memo but I do not remember seeing a press release saying that we were given Mesaba or Colgan. Purchase is a pretty good word and as far as I'm concerned its pretty cut and dry.


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