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03-17-2011 | 07:27 PM
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coming from the OU side of things, i have mixed feelings on it. I can say that the first couple batches of guys will be solid pilots and i dont think anyone will be able to say anything else about them. Most of these guys are close to meeting Pinnacle's minimums anyway. However well have to see what happens when it starts getting to the younger guys that haven't been CFI's.
03-17-2011 | 07:42 PM
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coming from the OU side of things, i have mixed feelings on it. I can say that the first couple batches of guys will be solid pilots and i dont think anyone will be able to say anything else about them. Most of these guys are close to meeting Pinnacle's minimums anyway. However well have to see what happens when it starts getting to the younger guys that haven't been CFI's.
03-17-2011 | 07:54 PM
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You make it sound as if being a CFI is mandatory, when in actuality has nothing to do with what you're going to be doing at the airline. Yea being a CFI will come in handy when you upgrade but there are many forms of PIC experience. It's all up to the individual to be successful. Plenty of CFI and non CFI guys out there and they both do a good job.
03-17-2011 | 08:42 PM
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You make it sound as if being a CFI is mandatory, when in actuality has nothing to do with what you're going to be doing at the airline. Yea being a CFI will come in handy when you upgrade but there are many forms of PIC experience. It's all up to the individual to be successful. Plenty of CFI and non CFI guys out there and they both do a good job.
My point was just general experience, and when you graduate from a 141 school with 250 hours, pretty much the only way to build that general experience is to CFI, unless you get lucky and land a gig elsewhere.
My main point was that these first few through all pretty much meet the standard minimums anyway. We wont really know how it goes until the fresh 250Hour guys starting hitting the training.
03-17-2011 | 09:13 PM
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What about the 1500Hr ATP requirement!?!? Guess they are cramming as many kool-aid slurping, SJS afflicted newbies they can through the training before 2012 or whenever the new rules come into effect.
I know everybody's in a rush to fly a Jet but for heaven's sake go out into the world, get some PIC time in anything, try something outside of 121. As good as a deal as this sounds, come next downturn you'll be trying to keep your head above water wearing cement shoes!
I know everybody's in a rush to fly a Jet but for heaven's sake go out into the world, get some PIC time in anything, try something outside of 121. As good as a deal as this sounds, come next downturn you'll be trying to keep your head above water wearing cement shoes!
03-17-2011 | 10:38 PM
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Sheesh, I didn't wanna get involved in yet another 'experience' discussion.
I instructed for 400+ hrs and that was valuable experience....but man, I learned the most flying solo in the 500 hrs of survey work I put in. Flying from coast to coast in a single-engine piston, working over mountainous terrain and in all sorts of airspace definitely teaches you more than you'll ever learn instructing and you REALLY learn the in and outs of ATC.
I don't know....I think you can train a 250 hr pilot how to push buttons and even hand fly an approach without crashing, but man...I'd never feel comfortable if I had to ride as a pax in that plane.
I instructed for 400+ hrs and that was valuable experience....but man, I learned the most flying solo in the 500 hrs of survey work I put in. Flying from coast to coast in a single-engine piston, working over mountainous terrain and in all sorts of airspace definitely teaches you more than you'll ever learn instructing and you REALLY learn the in and outs of ATC.
I don't know....I think you can train a 250 hr pilot how to push buttons and even hand fly an approach without crashing, but man...I'd never feel comfortable if I had to ride as a pax in that plane.
03-18-2011 | 03:15 AM
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This x1234
I'm not airline guy, don't have any interest in them, and this is part of the reason. The fact that Colgan is waiting for their name change to start rehiring 250hr pilots really says something about them. God forbid another 3407 type crash occurs and word gets out that, hey the company that had that turboprop crash, went back and rehired people with no experience once they changed their name.
I've taught for 2 1\2 years and flew a season of survey, and I've learned so much just from that. As miserable as survey was sometimes, there were many times when I had a great time and really enjoyed what I was doing. These guys are so crazy for CRJs that they don't see anything else in aviation besides it. There's so much more out there.
I'm not airline guy, don't have any interest in them, and this is part of the reason. The fact that Colgan is waiting for their name change to start rehiring 250hr pilots really says something about them. God forbid another 3407 type crash occurs and word gets out that, hey the company that had that turboprop crash, went back and rehired people with no experience once they changed their name.
I've taught for 2 1\2 years and flew a season of survey, and I've learned so much just from that. As miserable as survey was sometimes, there were many times when I had a great time and really enjoyed what I was doing. These guys are so crazy for CRJs that they don't see anything else in aviation besides it. There's so much more out there.
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