Why aren't we paid for duty time?
01-07-2016 | 07:14 AM
#31
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"our Life Capital"
We are tools, machines, mules. We are labor, Skilled labor yes, but labor just the same. To the company, our lives are only worth what we can provide them and how much they can be sued if we die. What is the difference between Chuck Yeager and a barely-pass-the-checkride pilot? Nothing. We both are "qualified" and do the same work.
Actually, flying IS piecework. We move X tons or our plane has X seats. We get paid more per ton or per pax: don't believe me, check out the pay rates at most (if not all) of the legacies and majors. They pay more for aircraft that can carry more. Is flying a 777 significantly different from flying a CRJ? No. Both take off, fly a route, and land. The DIFFERENCE is one carries a great deal more responsibility: 450 pax means nine time the number of lawsuits versus a 50 pax jet. That's why the guys that fly heavy iron are paid more. (However, if you think that is wrong, change the contracts. I would be thrilled to fly my Saab and make the same as an B747 pilot)
So, Rob, assume for a moment ALL your company's flying was done by mainline employees. Since we all do the same work, would you be willing to fight for my pay to be the same as yours despite the fact you carry 10 times as many pax?
We are tools, machines, mules. We are labor, Skilled labor yes, but labor just the same. To the company, our lives are only worth what we can provide them and how much they can be sued if we die. What is the difference between Chuck Yeager and a barely-pass-the-checkride pilot? Nothing. We both are "qualified" and do the same work.
Actually, flying IS piecework. We move X tons or our plane has X seats. We get paid more per ton or per pax: don't believe me, check out the pay rates at most (if not all) of the legacies and majors. They pay more for aircraft that can carry more. Is flying a 777 significantly different from flying a CRJ? No. Both take off, fly a route, and land. The DIFFERENCE is one carries a great deal more responsibility: 450 pax means nine time the number of lawsuits versus a 50 pax jet. That's why the guys that fly heavy iron are paid more. (However, if you think that is wrong, change the contracts. I would be thrilled to fly my Saab and make the same as an B747 pilot)
So, Rob, assume for a moment ALL your company's flying was done by mainline employees. Since we all do the same work, would you be willing to fight for my pay to be the same as yours despite the fact you carry 10 times as many pax?
One CEO once said that he thinks getting paid more to fly more people is wrong.
So...... A 19 seat captain should get paid the same as a 777 captain?
Kinda like trump. CEO's open their mouths and garbage comes out.
01-08-2016 | 09:13 PM
#32
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Just my .02, worth exactly what you paid for it, but...
I don't think an 'insert small aircraft' pilot should be paid the same as an 'insert large aircraft' pilot, UNLESS they are working for the same company.
If I am #1 on a seniority list, why should I take a pay cut to fly any aircraft in the inventory? We are in a seniority based business, and although you can be carrying 50 or 300 people behind you, you aren't directly effecting the bottom line of the company. If I would rather fly one hour shuttle flights all day why should that change my paycheck as the #1 pilot?
I don't think an 'insert small aircraft' pilot should be paid the same as an 'insert large aircraft' pilot, UNLESS they are working for the same company.
If I am #1 on a seniority list, why should I take a pay cut to fly any aircraft in the inventory? We are in a seniority based business, and although you can be carrying 50 or 300 people behind you, you aren't directly effecting the bottom line of the company. If I would rather fly one hour shuttle flights all day why should that change my paycheck as the #1 pilot?
01-09-2016 | 04:00 PM
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Which is why I advised them to read "Flying The Line" Parts I & II. People still read as evidenced by web boards...comprehension I suppose is another matter all together.
01-10-2016 | 06:28 AM
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We are paid by duty time in some cases. They are called trip and duty rigs. Most regionals don't have them, except Air Wisconsin and a few others. It is something you would have to bargain for in the contract and most likely would be the one thing management would not give into. I'm not saying its not possible but good luck getting some 21 year old who only plans on staying at the regionals for 3 years or less to care about something like that. That's not even enough time to see the expiration of a contract in most cases.
I'm on a 3 day trip right now worth 13.5 block and credited at 18
I'm on a 3 day trip right now worth 13.5 block and credited at 18
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