Personally, I would wait until you can hold a line on a specific piece of equipment before bidding it. The ATL commute is really difficult.

there is no seat lock going from 900 to the 200

Not so sure about this. Think the union and company don't see eye to eye on this.

read the awesome contract we have. 12 month position lock, cannot upgrade out of a seat for 12 months when you switch airplanes.

Pinnacle mins are 1000/200 (preffered). I heard of folks getting in waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay below stated, if you have jet training/transition.

a position lock doesnt apply for diff taining,

I suggest you read the awesome contract you have. I'll save you a little bit of time. It's on page 163 of the pdf version available on the website. Section 24.G.6
6. A freeze will not be imposed in conjunction with Differences Training.
So moving from 200 to 900 is no freeze.

** WARNING DO NOT LISTEN TO HEARSAY FROM SOMEONE WHO "Read the contract"** if it's the truth they can show you where it is. Look at it yourself. Then you'll be sure.

On a related sidenote to your attitude towards the contract Munkybutter, I agree there a parts that could have been better. And there are loopholes that Mesaba never exploited that Pinnacle will, but our job is to make sure it's enforced to the fullest extent we can and that everyone reads it. So is it awesome? No. Is it better than what we had before? Depends. But at least it ends the whipsaw and allows you full access to the flying your labors paid for.

Full access, hahahahaha!

You slay me!

Thank you for clearing that up. I have spoken personally with 3 reps and whoever runs the hotline and they are the ones that explained it to me that way. I will reference the section you pointed out. I also spoke with BR who runs vacancies on the 9E side and he agreed. Maybe there is some miscommunication somewhere in my grapevine. I'm still curious how you came to a conclusion about my attitude towards the contract by a one sentence post. I am a senior FO and ATL would be a commuting dream for me so I hope you're right, but id like to hear it from the people pulling the strings. Please don't turn this thread into what it isn't. I was referencing 24.G.3.C. If I am wrong then I apologize, but do not turn it into a bash party. Go ahead and pump the brakes.

Sorry to come across so bad,I didn't really mean to jump on you personally there's just a lot of misinformation out there. It's likely that various people in the union or company believe there IS a freeze in conjunction with 200 to 900 and I myself wasn't sure prior to looking it up however as you can see the language is VERY clear. I just want the company to abide by what they agreed to and the easiest way to assure that is if we all know what they agreed to.

So by your understanding we can bid ATL and upgrade back to the 200 in less than a year? I understand the writing in the contract, but it isn't in the FO section and we all know how the company can play that. Paging higney!

yes you can go to the 900, then the 200- guys have already done this. Its black and white in the contract so if it was me i would jump all over it
:)

Careful...

Copied from somewhere else:

Section 24.G.6. states that a freeze will not be imposed in conjunction with Differences Training. However, Section 24.G.3. (applicable to F/O’s) and 24.G.4. (applicable to Captains) both include language that the Company may argue places some restriction on a pilot’s ability to freely bid back and forth between the 200 and the 900.

I have been given a 2 sided answer. I'm remaining quiet since it doesn't impact me and I don't have a final answer. Talk to a rep when the next vacancy comes out.

The next Vacancy should be very interesting.

I hear multi-class bid with DTW and MEM SF340 going away at the same time.

Any idea when it's comming out?

Any minute, which translates to anytime in the next 2 weeks (maybe more)

My sources say next week... As in beginning of August.. It will be very interesting. If I get bumped out of DTW I will be a very unpleasant person to be around. That commute is rough enough as it stands.

They could open up more -200 Captain vacancies along with the displacement of the Saab pilots, this could help you.

The chips will fall where they fall. I have been rather "upbeat" by the future possibilities, but if I (as a 9E guy) get bumped out of my seat/base by XJ guys off the Saab it's going to be quite a personal battle to hold my thoughts. Looking at the staffing everyone should be able to be absorbed, but that doesn't mean anything because it makes sense.

I don't know what to tell you.

I have my own demons with this thing.

As a 10 year XJ guy, I bid the same as someone at 680 on 9E's old seniority list after the SLI.

You would be just above me then. Everyone is mad, I guess that makes it "OK".

I hope not, that would ruin my plans to bid a Saab CA/FO seat and wait this mess out longer while in training keeping my 900 pay.

Just above you and that means you've been there half as long as me.

Yeah, I feel ok.

SF340 in MSP until dec, or LGA until the spring.

I have also heard the vacancy will have openings for SF340 for Colgan Saabs. These positions should be outside the fenced slots allowing anyone to bid them.

A friend of mine just pointed out that my above post was wrong. He says that 9E cannot bid Saab captain even if the numbers are above the fenced positions. I did not know this so I looked it up.

If you use the logic that 9E doesn't have Saabs, then why is the Q400 written like this:

Bloch is a dumbass.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and declare that the first vacancy will be an absolute mess/disaster and will aslo include 9 revisions (+/- 3.5) before all is said and done. I feel for the pencil pushers who will have to comb over these awards to make sure they comply with Bloch's ridiculous "fences." Should be fun to watch though, this is when the real "I got hosed/screwed/%&$#ed!!!!!" will start flying around. The newbies will get to watch an airline implode from the inside out. Pop the corn and set up the washers games. Gonna be a bloch party.

Nominated for Post of the Week....

With current staffing levels... how many of the fences are actually in force right now? I know the Q400 one will be in place a VERY long time, but I'm curious about some of the other ones...

What can Saab new hires expect for jr bases? Dtw? I'm asking due to the post in "hiring News" stating most pinnacle new hires will be going to the Saab.

Most likely IAD there will be no hiring into Former XJ saab bases

No Saab hires will be going to MEM. MSP. DTW (all are about to close). You might have a small chance at LGA or IAH, probably you'd be going to IAD or maybe BOS.

Ok thanks. Looks like I missed my chance to sit reserve in dtw.

Yes you did, and there are several fo's that were displaced to LGA that are wanting to get back ahead of you.

Anyone have any juice on the next vacancy? I'm getting a Bueller flashback.... Higney?

5 more upgrades... MEM SF3 is gone... enjoy...
ATL CR9 +10 CA
MSP CR9 +2 FO
MSP CR2 +2 CA +6 FO
DTW CR2 +10 CA +2 FO
IAH DH4 +4 FO
IAD SF3 +2 CA
IAH SF3 +2 CA +10 FO

MEM SF3 -21 CA -23 FO

Where is this posted, didn't see it on flypinnacle

Any news on new hire class for spt?

colgan has a class starting Sept. 12th...

Well its about to close boys and girls... one more day and we will see what madness it will bring. Surely there will be lots of secondary displacements.... I don't buy the argument that "the company will absorb secondaries" I could see them absorbing 10 or 20 but not 44... This is only the beginning though... MSP has some 80 saab pilots and Detroit has quite a few too... can't wait to see how fences will play into this.

Oh and for the OP... you might try pinnacolabapilots.com ... its a forum for pinnacle corp pilots someone started.