Training pay? Do you get the 70 HR guarantee?

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Says here only 75 hour guarantee, nothing about 70 hours.

Training pay is 400.00/week while in training. No insurance payments or deductions. You will find that once you get out of training, and insurance and union dues start coming out, that you will be getting a pay cut.

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A friend finished IOE in the first part of June. He's flying a line now, and didn't have to sit reserves. He got a 15 day off line this month and next. He is bidding 39 out of around 60 in LGA. I wonder if waiting for RAH to get another training class (not until August) will make all that change by the time I get off IOE.

Is anyone getting based in CMH out of the recent classes?
I assume this is a smaller base with longer reserve, however, I would be home based and wouldn't mind.

Thanks

In order for upgrades there either has to be growth or the Captains must leave. With presumably all the Frontier Capts staying put plus several hundred or more RAH Capts that leaves only the bottom several hundred RAH slots. There will be movement but those at the bottom of our list, including slumav, won't be switching seats for at least several more years time and a new hire won't be upgrading for many more after that.

2-3 years barring bankruptcy buddy. Just watch. When it moves it's going to move quick. There are people saying less than that on the line. I still think 2013 is when I'll be in class for it. Duty rules, mainline retirements alone. Plus there are a bunch of senior folk here that are going to leave. (hell even a few who are going to retire) Not saying 12 months. But by now in 2013 I'll be high mins. (unless someone like CH11 or a fire sale happens, in which case I'm out the door anyway) Unless they live in CMH or SDF, the CHQ guys will all be gone here soon. IND will close soon.

With Frontier crossing the 51% mark, doesn't that mean they won't be on your seniority list? Thus, you don't have to worry about the Frontier lifers when it comes to upgrading. Or, because you already have the list, you guys are all together now?

Do not go to RAH, and think you will upgrade in 3 years. This would require at least 30 pilots to leave every month. BTW, on the Republic side most senoir guys I know will hangout. What did the last 170 bid go to? 2004?RAH is a good place to get your foot in the door, but dont stay too long. Movement is mostly fo's leaving, not captains! Good Luck....

Last 170 bid went to 12/06 hires. FWIW

3 new hires/recalls got republic cmh recently.

Any more knowledge of recent or planned classes? Size? Certificate?

junior 170 ca is still august 06

Most junior CA is about 700 above me. Since January I've been moving up 10-25 numbers a month. Most of the people leaving are senior to me.

I just got done with training a couple of weeks ago. The majority of the classes going right now are Shuttle. The groups have been mostly FO's going right now...about 25/class is what I have seen. There is a break until Aug, and there is another Shuttle class that's going to start if I remember correctly. Other than that, not sure.

On another note, I think that if this place doesn't implode in the next couple of years, you will see a lot of movement here. I think it will be a lot of guys from the top if the openings are there for the major's. So I can believe a 2-3 year upgrade time...but it all depends on how many people leave at the top. I think it will happen.

Funny, cause the most junior CA is about 75 above me....and I've been moving up about 4-5 a month, most of the people leaving are junior to me....and I'm an FO.

Got the info from HR that 40 guys are in the hiring pool now. They plan a class in July and August and as you say it is for Shuttle!

Wondering what reserve is like at Shuttle; ready reserve policies, etc.

Also, what are typical trips like; day trips, 2 days, 4 days ? average legs per day?

How many days off for jr lineholders ? senior lineholders?

Thanks for any good info

most of the people leaving are between us then. Still with no one really hiring at the moment I wouldn't expect a lot of CA's to leave. Just wait until the majors hire. They won't be able to keep people here, including the senior guys. 2 years for 08 hires, new hires 3 years.

Most junior 170 is in PHL with a 12/06 hire. I was off on the last award...there were 12/06 upgrades, but for the 145.

For anyone truly considering this place, emb170 man writes the truth. Slum writes what he wants to be true. Upgrades for new hires will be a long way off.

Sounds like you're trying to predict the future. Basing all of this on what we know so far is ridiculous. It may be all we have at this point in time but we all know it's still ridiculous info

To say it's like Slum says is optimistic, what emb170man says is not. Crazy-optimistic? That is the question.

I'm willing to go the optimistic route. Thanks for the optimistic opinion slum.

Well it seems you've got it all figured out. You'll listen to only what you want to hear from one who speaks only what he wants to hear. Good luck.

Newhires that go to LGA are on reserve for 1 month, if they don't hold a line right out of training. There are no ready reserves at Shuttle.

Legs per day just depends on what you are doing. Do the Delta shuttle and you could be doing 6 -7 legs per day. Lots of day trips in LGA.

Had 15 days off and a 92 hour line my second month at Shuttle.

+1

Just because you hold a line in LGA after a month doesn't mean you will upgrade in 2 years. Ask the 5 year CHQ CMH First Officers how close they are to an upgrade. It took me 3+ years here to hold a consistent line, and that was shear dumb luck. Next month I might go back to reserve for the foreseeable future. What you need to consider is if you can tolerate years on reserve work rules, and topped out FO pay. Please don't be charmed by the recent movement. You could be furloughed in a heartbeat and your longevity frozen, just like slumlav in 08.

If I had to do it all over again, I would've gone to Eagle or XJT. Even if it meant more than a year on furlough. Think big picture, not flash in the pants movement. Its not that I'm bitter about past choices, just that I wish I had more perspective.

Oh yeah, get ready to strike or be management contract hostages. Either way, prepare to not work in 2012 as a new hire. Know your history.

How soon do they usually call you for a class? Could it be like Friday... to Monday?

In the spirit of productive conversation please, try that again.

This time set a good example and be helpful.
Thank you.

In the spirit of productive conversation please, try that again.

This time set a good example and be helpful.
Thank you.

How many people is Republic hiring right now? How's the staffing?

2-3 years ago no one was going to Eagle, upgrade was 9-10 years. Now it's the place to be today. Again have some perspective. Will it be that way in a year or two, especially if they are divested? Things are moving at a trickle now without much hiring to speak of. If you are here you see how short staffed we are across the board. I really do expect to see another substantial upgrade as soon as the IMSL is in place. (So end of the summer). That, combined with the new duty rules coming into play in the next 12-24 months alone will result in an upgrade for roughly 150-200 of our guys almost immediately, not to mention the staffing increases required at mainline that will pull a few away. I consider myself I fairly plugged in person. The facts are we're short handed on every seat. We need more captains. So more upgrades will happen when they can afford to take FO's offline again. I stand by my 2-3 years for everyone who is here right near the bottom now barring bankruptcy, buy out or loss of a code share.

Just remember that Tsunami's start at the bottom first.

I really hope that your numbers are right. However, I think that you & I both learned a valuable lesson from being employed by RAH the past few years. The lesson is this: Don't pick en employer based on projected movement. No one has a crystal ball in this industry, even the executives. Pick an airline based on work rules & compensation. That way when you're stuck at the bottom and commuting to reserve, you don't feel like slashing your wrists with a dull plastic butter knife you borrowed from a Flight Attendant. RAH is a terrible place, and I wish I would've listened to some wiser and older friends. I made my decision in late 07 based on projected movement. I've been paying for that shortsightedness ever since.

How can you blame yourself for that. There are always some facts that you can base your decision on but mostly speculation. So if you were trying to get on w/a company right now with great work rules, pay etc., you get hired and 3 months in they take huge concessions to save their asses. Do you credit yourself with that? What gives?

Regionals don't really give up concessions, as there isn't much to give up.

You want the facts, here they are:

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All I'm trying to say, is that basing your choice on projected upgrades is short-sighted. Ask yourself if you can really survive long term on topped out pay & junior reserve.

Well, agree there isn't much to give up, but.......

ACA (I took that one)
AWAC
MESABA
COMAIR
XJT (I took that one too)

.....took concessions. I may have left some out.

Yeah but XJT concessionary contract is still far better than RAH.

Yep, those slipped my mind. Luked pointed out that XJT still has a better concessionary contract than RAH. I'm pretty sure all those places (except ACA, not in business) have better concessionary contracts than the RAH non- concessionary CBA. RAH is a bad place to work. Stay away!!!

Well, true. And the dead horse can be beaten all day long on revisionist history. But at the time, and the circumstances that the RAH CBA was done, they were pretty lucky to get what they got with the tactics that the revered was using against them.

But yes, ACA's (irrelevant) concessionary and XJT's concessionary are better than RAH's. The ONLY concession that XJT took was in the form of and hourly rate. However, we've had so many LOA's/MOU's come out since the 08 concession that there's been a gain in work rules overall.

Have a little faith that your union, now with the SLI, NMB stuff behind them, can now fully focus on getting the contract done, and then amalgamated with F9. It's coming, from what few leaks we've gotten it seems we're much more prepared than the company has been so far in mediation. Those more experienced than you would tell you to stay put because there's more uncertainty going to the bottom somewhere else. There will be movement at RAH in the next 12-36 months.

I'd sure love for someone up there to call me back about any upcoming training class dates. All I was ever told was "in August". You can't plan anything around that.

You are the one who had a training date with XJT and decided to wait for RAH right? Rule number one, seniority is everything you should have taken XJT training class. Now you just better pray there will be at RAH class in Aug. One thing I learned in my airline career is to take the guaranteed offer and never look back. Shoulda woulda will make you go crazy.