MESA & Johnny O
 

Guys, I myslef have fallen victim to Calling Johnny O some bad names, but the truth is, as long as there are Starryeyed CFI's who keep applying to MESA why should he have to raise the QOL, pay etc... its the pilots that really should be blamed for allowing this to go on. Once the thrill of flying 121 has come and gone (goes away quickly at MESA from what I have been told) the pilots should leave and get on with a good airline, like AWAC, CHQ, XJT, SKW, whatever. Why should we leave it up to John O to improve QOL, he never will, and why should he? He will abuse as much as the pilot group allows him too. You people at MESA (most anyway), by allowing this abuse to go on, are bringing down the REGIONAL LEVEL, The MAJORS, (for the most part) don't have this problem becuase the pilots have worked hard to get there and simply won't allow the abuse, the pilots at MESA, however will take the abuse as long as they can fly a jet. Anybody agree disagree I would love to get some feedback here, Thanks guys. I don;t know too much about GOJETS QOL so I won't comment, there pay is a joke though that I do know

P.S. I am speaking in generalities, I know not all MESA guys aloow this to go on, I hope not anyway:D

Do you know what a Gojet pilot makes? If you knew the real answer, you would not say that the pay is a joke. I suggest you research it. FO second year pay is weak, but everything else is right with the industry.

You do realize that pay isn't everything, don't you? Gojets has credit only with practically zero work rules.

It sounds like small potatoes but comparing a just turned second year FO at Skywest/XJT/AWAC and one at Gojet and you'll see a drastic difference in W2's over the course of a year. Probably somewhere in the $10k/range, which is about 30% greater, all for doing the same job, and for flying a small a/c (save SkyW).

I'm guessing you work at GOjet? How does it feel to be stabbing your fellow co-workers in the back at TSA? You must have some great morals.

I Left Mesa for X-Jet, after 2 years of mesa's bull$hit. It is really like night and day. I'm HAPPY...

Contract negotiations...
 

It all comes down to Union Leadership and contract negotiations...The Unity at Mesa was week the last go around. The people that were in charge had been away from flying the line for a little to long and were out of touch with the QOL of the line pilot. That being said...the pilots voted to PASS the last contract under pressure from leadership and they were busy battling things like SCOPE rather than pay rates.

You can't get everything the first few contracts and expect to be ahead of airlines that have been negotiation for decades. With new leadership in place and SCOPE taken care of Mesa should make some improvements in their next go around. Horizon was not the greatest place to work for a few years back...and then they FINALY got a descent contract.

The commuters will be making lots of changes in the industry. As they get stronger and get larger market share they will redefine QOL, pay rates, and schedules with the RJ fleets. You will not get there overnight but it will get better.

One last thing...if you look at the industry cycle it goes up and down. I think we have seen the bottom or close to it...the next ten years will show big gains, turn around, and increased flying...keep the faith and think long term.

We are our own worst enemy...Unity of the pilots will be key. Not just at our own airline but all of them.

BWP

That is where you are wrong my friend. I do not work for Gojet, nor do I endorse Gojet. What people need to understand is Gojet is going nowhere.

actually mesa got screwed because they took one for the team to get freedom under their wing............to do what it takes to get someone to join a union is a noble mentality. its just too bad alpa isnt worth it anymore

what did MESA do to you???
 

ok, i understand a lot of you dont like Mesa, but what EXACTLY did they do to **** you off???

list it out!! QOL??? describe....... give me DETAILS, not just rants!!!

thanks!

A leopard has great camouflage, but his spots remain the same. jeff122670 is most likely a mesa i.t. trash talker hunter. Everyone knows that mesa has 0 respect for its work force. How many times can you post the same crap? They don’t care as long as the classes are full. Mesa must be in negotiations for a contract to see who they can flush out.

if you were at MESA, i am assuming you left because they didnt have anger management classes...geeeeez.

i am just asking the question. i am in the military and looking at future careers and i just want to know what makes THEM so bad when compared to the others???? educate me.........but give me details.... if you say they suck, they tell me WHY they suck and if the others are the same...

thanks! and you know, they ARE serving brewed decaf, perhaps that would calm you down....:)