AmEagle pilots just got chance to flow to AA
 

Just heard from a friend that all Eagle pilot are receiving AA numbers?
If this is true greats news for you guys. Pilots standing united as a group.

Just saw an Eagle pilot post something about this on FB-my husband interviews with Eagle on August 4-what's going on and what does it mean?

It means all Eagle pilots become furlough bait.

How long did it take for your Hubby to get a the "Reviewing your app In 2 to 7 business days " Email .....

Hope it works out better than the last flowthrough did.

Where did it say they get an AA #? To me it reads they get to flo-up when their number is called but a possible 50-65% (after the settlement pilots) of every class can come from outside hires.

Yep, the thread title is misleading. As for the deal, it's really not as great as it sounds...

.....and how does this gel with the soon to be announced sale of eagle?..some sort of deal made to ensure the eagle pilots have something to feel better about leaving AMR?

Yep! Do the math. If you're a new hire there today and your Eagle seniority number is 3000 and AA hires 71 pilots per month which means 25 Eagle pilots flo-up (35% of 71) it will take you 10 years to get your class. It also means AA will have hired 8520 pilots. Now we all know not every Eagle pilot will move on......or will they? If they are divested and AA's future looks brighter I'd expect almost all of Eagles pilots to accept.

These numbers can vary but I'd rather take my chances with an interview next year than wait 7 years for a class.

Yeah, It's not a number it's a chance to flow up if interested( if in Eagle by a certain date this fall... I think Oct or Nov.)

Supposedly there is a 400 jet order for AA to be announced soon.. maybe tomorrow morning at 10am.

1. Every American Eagle pilot who is on the American Eagle pilot seniority list as of October 11, 2011 will be offered a job as an American Airlines pilot in the future.

2. American Eagle pilots hired under this settlement agreement will not be subjected to a pre-employment interview or pre-employment medical examination prior to transferring to American Airlines.

3. American Eagle pilots will be offered a minimum of 35% of every American Airlines new-hire class. In the event that 35% of American Airlines’ new hire class is greater than 25 pilots per month, American Eagle will be required to release at least 25 Eagle pilots per month.

4. If American Eagle loses flying and such loss results in a furlough, American Airlines will increase the percentage of Eagle pilots in their new-hire classes to a minimum of 50%. The meter above will continue to apply.

5. If American Eagle loses flying and such loss might result in a furlough, American Airlines will also attempt to negotiate preferential interviews for American Eagle pilots at the carrier who has successfully bid for the flying that Eagle is losing.

6. This settlement does not impact the existing rights of American Eagle flow-through pilots who currently possess American Airlines pilot seniority numbers, or the rights of the 824 pilot positions awarded as remedy by Arbitrator Nicolau. Those provisions are in place and will remain effective without regard to this settlement agreement.

7. American Eagle has agreed to clarifying contract language regarding the scope of work that American Eagle pilots perform in the event of a divestiture.

DFW news just announced AA purchasing 400 new airplanes split between Airbus and Boeing.

DFW news also announce American Eagle's official spinoff Wednesday, July 20, 2011.

Whats good and whats bad about it....

WHAT??? Reference please...

10pm DFW local news NBC. true story

American Airlines expected to announce jet orders

Sounds like its true.

I'd expect at least a union email about it before hearing it on the local news.

That would be big news for the Dallas area, all the local news source's website is showing is some hit-and-run drama and a blurb about some guy who tried to pie someone in the face...

"AMR is scheduled to release second-quarter financial results Wednesday. Investors will also be watching to see whether the company decides to sell or spin off its American Eagle subsidiary, which connects passengers from smaller cities to American Airlines hubs."

Um... not exactly a closed deal yet there bud

Pardon me, sir. I meant the aircraft order.

I expect it too! My friends expect it too! But I think many of us can count more than the fingers we have, the number of times we have found out news about our operations from the media before our company informs us. Its sad but it happens a lot. Your absolutely correct I EXPECT it. But some 'big boys clubs' don't fill us in on everything they know. They keep us OUT of the loop. Their not unionizing with us. Their in the back room with the door shut knowing more than we do. (ok i guess I vented)

American Airlines expected to announce major jet purchase of 400 aircraft | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

I figure if the media has this on paper in their studio then their just not released legally to say it for sure until tomorrow. But you wait, itll be made official tomorrow.

Means that he have to be in class at or before October 11, 2011 to be in the group. If not he'll be screwed up!!!!



"Every American Eagle pilot who is on the American Eagle pilot seniority list as of October 11, 2011 will be offered a job as an American Airlines pilot in the future."

He had submtted everything on Airline Apps and had one of the recruiter's contact numbers about a month ago, but he only had 50 multi hours at that time, and they were requiring 100. Once they dropped to 50, he called the recruiter again and left a vm, and about a week later, he got the "reviewing your app" email. Three days after that he got the "you are invited to interview" email.

Great, he's only got 50 multi hours which means he has to do the jet-bridge or whatever and the last we heard there was a month wait to get into those classes if he's even selected.

Well so that means that he have to take the ATP regional jet standards class, which still don't mean he's hired by Eagle.

After he pass the ATP course and starts class in DFW, that first day of class in Training Center is his date of hire. I see a very tight time but it can be done. Good luck.

Yes, that's what it means-it will be tight. Fingers crossed!

Any idea how long the regional jet standards class takes?

It takes six days to complete. Not sure on how long to schedule.

Flywife

Not to worry, if he is hired by Oct 11th, it will years before being close to an AA mainline jet, remember they have to go thru all the recalls, flow thrus, then work their way down the AE list. By the, jobs at FDX, DL, UAL will also be opening. I strongly suspect that a rather small percentage of AE guys will actually become AA mainline pilots, if there is an AA mainline in 10 years.

But, hey, what do I know, I've only been associated with the industry since the "Great Pilot Shortage" of the late Sixties. I still have Flying magazine ads telling me I should be approaching retirement flying a Concorde with Pan Am, Eastern or United.

Fortunately, I had a very realistic father who insisted I could fly ONLY if I had a plan for "real" employment. The Seventies looked a lot like the last ten years BUT there was no Regional factor, just unemployment.

GF

I wouldn't expect him to have a job with ANY major for a long, long time, so truthfully, you're right-no need to worry at this point. I'm realistic and possiblty a wee bit pessimistic, but I think you have to be to be able to handle the ups and downs of this career! At this point, we are thinking maybe he could just retire as a captain at a regional. He is 36 already (did a mid-life career change). Maybe this is a foolish thing to say, but don't the regional captains make decent money? Considering he brought in $8k as a flight instructor last year, we have very modest ideas of what "decent" money is!

Flywife

With 29 years, I'll bet your hubby has a decent chance at retiring as a mainline captain. If he gets on in the coming hiring cycle, it's possible. "Mid-life career change", huh? He hasn't reached mid-life, yet. Best of luck, he certainly is a lucky guy in this business having a champion like you!

GF

I immediately regretted saying "mid-life!" He's definitely still a youngster-we don't even have kids yet, but I'm not opposed to having them at 40! That's encouraging to hear that he could be a captain at a mainline! He never even mentions it! Thank you!

Flywife

I know friends from Eastern that hired at Northwest at age 42 and made it to retirement as a DC-9 captain. There is a huge bubble of retirements coming from all the mid-80s hiring, loads of those guys are in their mid-50s or older. If hired by 40, captain should easily happen. There has been no hiring at AA for a decade.

GF

He will be thrilled to hear this! He can't get an account on APF because his acadmey's email is blocked for some reason, so I troll the forums "for" him haha! Most of what he hears at work and through the rumor mills is negative. He feels "too old," etc. This is good to hear! Thanks for taking the time to respond!

Remember, one step at a time.

Indeed, you are correct, sir! I'm learning that the patience of Job is a job requirement for pilots and their significant others! We're much further than we were in 2007, when the poor hubs puked the entire first week of flight school!!!

He had AWFUL motion sickness when he first started!

Good job supporting him and best of luck to him on his interview. Keep us posted.

Are you the 1st wife? Welcome to aviation ;):D

Lol-yeah, I'm the first! When he was first considering flight school, the recruiter he was working with at the school told me "he'll be gone all the time, won't make much money and cheat on you multiple times." What a great guy, right?

Becoming a pilot and wearing a uniform does not constitute defying all the laws required to pick up females :D. Plus i am sure he is an honest man who lives his life with integrity just like all the other pilots do.

::sarcasm::

He really is a great guy, but I'm not an idiot. I heard the Southwest pilot's charming little rant about the quality of FA's just like everyone else!