American Eagle application
 

After submitting, I did not get a response that it was received. are you supposed to get one?

I think airlineapps sends a generic "we have your app" when you list a new airline. Nothing to indicate whether or not you may get a call though. Are you sure you filled out all the addendum sections properly?

You will an email from eagle that you have two days to check all your data before they print it. This happens only if they want to interview you. I just interviewed last week. Got the offer.

Check your spam folder in your email. Since it comes from an automated email address most email servers may sort it into the spam folder of your inbox.

That's very true

You will get an email, but not necessarily the same day or day after... might take a couple... Remember this email you get is just an automatic one from the airlineapps system. The one AFTER that is the important one (or phone call)

American Eagle check ride failures
 

Question to anyone out there with experience with the AE pre screening process....

I just received a call from HR and they "had a question" about my application. My addemun section showed three failures, but they said it looked as if I only reflected two failures. Our conversation ended shortly after that with "thank you for your time" followed by an immediate rejection email.

Do you think I was rejected due to 3 failures, or because they thought I was trying to hide one of the failures?

Also, with 3 failures, what are the chances of ever getting another call from them again?

Thanks

Yes it was due to the failures. They have a big problem with that. You might be ok elsewhere, but who knows. Keep trying persistance will pay off

How did you only reflect 2 failures?

Either you were straight up through the whole application or you were trying to disguise something. Which was it?

Eagle is very militaristic in that they are big on attention to detail and integrity (being forthcoming about ALL your "skeletons"). That being said at least at this point in time 3 failures is definitely an app killer. Keep trying though. Like was said before persistence pays off. Good luck.

What about 1 failure (oral portion)?

Most people have at least one failure. They just don't want a pattern of them. But it's not just about failures, it's the whole picture. You need to take into account speeding tickets, incidents with law enforcement, and other issues.

Well, Stryker besides the 1 oral failure, 2 traffic tickets in 12 years (1 for taking a shortcut, the other for 10mph over speed limit 40 in a 30 at night...)
That's all the negatives. Both tickets were "remediated" with traffic school, but I will disclose them (one of them appears on my record with the traffic class anyways).
Do you think this is too bad for Eagle. I mean, you must really be lucky not to have a couple traffic tickets in 10 years!

No you should be ok. I had 2 tickets but both were over 5 years ago so they were no longer on my record. It's a good idea to disclose them anyways. They seemed to appreciate my honesty even though I didn't have to. From what I've heard 3 tickets still on your record is the disqualifying number.

Just put the app in and relax. It sounds like you have the same issues that most of us do, and i assure you that you still have as good a chance as any.

Just submitted my app. Immediately received the automatic response "tak you for your interest....bla bla..."
So typically, what's the timeframe for them to review it? Weeks, months?

FWIW, I submitted mine on 12th July, only got 2 automated responses.
Nothing since then....

It can takes weeks, it can take months, it can take a year...keep updating every week.

Some people get a response immediatly or within 1-2 weeks.....

So, does someone know what is the criteria....

Where do you get this stuff? No, most people do not have at least one failure. Most have none. If most were failing they would change the training program to correct the deficiency.

In fact if the training centers do not maintain over an 80% pass rate they lose their certification. So, by definition, most do NOT have failures.

I think he meant most FO applicants have at least 1 failure. I don't see any reference to a specific training center.

One failure is not a big deal.

Like someone before said, just be up front and honest. If you think something in your past might be a big deal, them let then know. They will give you an opportunity to explain the matter further. If you have a check ride failure you better let them know...they will get your records from the FAA and will find out about it. I had forgot about two speeding tickets I received...one was 8 years ago and the other 15 years ago. I called and e-mailed the recruiter to let her know of my error. Maybe I went too far but I wanted to be honest about it.

Good luck and I hope you get an interview. I was there at Eagle recently and got an offer.

You took what I said out of context. Most APPLICANTS have one checkride failure, not failure in training. I have met VERY few people who have zero failures.

Zero failures of any kind for me in twenty six years of flying. :D:p

You are an anomaly. The majority of pilots do NOT have failures on their records. The FAA would have an AC out for FSDO, DE and CFI's to alter the training process if most pilots were failing. CFI's do NOT want a student failure since it effects them as well. They are not supposed to sign you off if you aren't ready.

You can try and rationalize your own failure all you want. The statistics do not support your false feel good claim.

Where are these statistics?

I've been flying for about 7 years and know maybe 2 or 3 people that have passed EVERY ride.

Not trying to fuel the fire here... I think I have met one person who never failed a checkride. There is nothing wrong with failing, it happens. As for 3 speeding tickets being the max, I have seen otherwise. As far as 3 failures being a disqualification, I'm not so sure if that is true. Like many have said, its the big picture. If they like you they will hire you. Be yourself and tell the truth, the rest is up to company. Everyone seems to forget that the people behind the hiring are still people. One checkride or a speeding ticket is not automatically the end all.

This is very true, but right now with Eagle the 3 checkride failures or 3 tickets in the last 5 years is an automatic non interview. I feel in the near future when the applications fully dry up they will need to relax this.

Mason - It is an anomaly to PASS all checkrides the first time around. Especially when the CFI initial has as high as a 70-80% first time failure rate in some FSDO regions (Orlando being one of the highest at around 75% in 2007). Here is an article published on AOPA's Air safety institute that highlights this Air Safety Institute Instructor Reports

Here is a powerpoint from the Orlando FSDO on the FAA's website - www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/orl/local_more/media/ppt/enlow.ppt

Not trying to beat a dead horse, but this makes it pretty apparent that MANY people fail at least one. No one should feel bad about failing one or two, but just dont make it a habit. It can come back to bite you when you are applying for jobs...

Oh. You again. The guy with all the answers.

"Never argue with an idiot... they drag you down to their own level then beat you with experience."

Nuff said.

An instructors certificate is not a pilot license. Remove those from the statistics. It is entirely normal and expected for most pilots - especially where we are hiring such low time people - to have no failures.

A guy with 10 years and 20 PC's may have a bust here or there... For a new hire CMEL to have busts is NOT the norm.

I dare you to leave your CFI failures off your application. :rolleyes:

Is it 3 or more

-or-

more than 3?

From what I have heard from quite a few people its 3 OR more....

We shall find out in a few weeks I'm in the 3 or more crowd and if I get the automatic non interview I'll let everyone know.

So if the average is 80% pass rate, there should be very few pilots with no failures if you have had 10 or more checkrides.

In the airline world, there are very few pilots with a failure at any point in their flying lives - including the training and flying that led up to their current jobs. The motivation to pass every training event and checkride is very high once one has reached the airlines, for a few reasons. One is that word of a failed checkride for any given pilot usually travels like wildfire to the respective pilot's crew base - "Hey, did you hear that Joe So-and-so failed his PC last week?" Most of us have no desire to be THAT guy. Another reason is pay related. If a line qualified pilot fails a PC, he will be removed from flight status, without pay, until he passes. Most of us are not in a financial position to be removed from flight status due to a failure. Thirdly, most of us who might fail a PC would have to face the embarrassment of admitting to our families that we failed and were removed from flight status without pay. I would be horrified at the thought of that myself.

Thus, the motivation to succeed each and every time is very, very high.

Also, for most of my career - up until maybe four years ago, competition for the job was usually enough to motivate pilots with airline aspirations to work extra hard at NOT failing at any level of training or checking, simply due to that fact that it could come back to haunt you later - at the job interview. There were too many highly qualified pilots with ZERO failures to risk showing up with one of your own.

For all of these reasons, in the twenty six years I've been a pilot, I've never had one failure of any kind. I simply treat each and every training and checking event as if my job counted on it. Almost every singly pilot I know at this level will honestly tell you that he or she has never had a failure either. That's just a fact.

I will admit, however, that the paradigm may be shifting toward more of the applicants having had failures in their past - I don't consider this a good thing.

I have 2 speeding tickets from december 2006 and 1 for "failing to stop on a red light" on Feb 2008. The one from 2008 is still on my record but it is shown as Dismissed.

I got an email yesterday saying that my application was going to be reviewed in 2 days..... Will I get a chance? or do I have to wait until next year to have 5 years with only one ticket?? :(

I know this might be a very dumb question but..... do you guys log the total landings to date? like I log my landings for each flight but I just dont add them up in my logbook... same thing with my approaches.. I have a column for number of approaches but I dont add up the totals...

Hey how are you? You shouldn't have a problem getting the interview if your over the mins. Speeding tickets I wouldn't worry about. But if and when you get the interview, tell them everything, and I mean everything, even if it was a ticket 8 years ago. I got some stupid meter ticket for letting it go over the time. I paid it, i got my entire history for the interview rather then the 5 year and nothing came up. In hr they were like anything and I said oh well I got this I thought they just meant moving violations. Needless to say I got the pre-offer and my packet passed the review board.

However with your logbook. Total everything in ever column "TO THE TENTH" I spent 2 days, 5 hours a day checking, rechecking and rechecking one more time to make sure everything was correct. Even my landings, everything was totaled. And to be honest, at the bottom of every column except for the last page of my logbook I had slash marks with the updated CORRECT times and they didn't mind it at all. But your logbook is the first thing that will get you sent home within the first 20 minutes of that interview.

On another note, anyone going to the ATP CRJ course in JAX this weekend till next? I'll be there.

Do you mind sharing your times and when you submitted your app?
I sent mine on 8/26 (820/51), all I got is the auto reply.
I know it's too soon to expect a reply but just trying to see how long it took you to get the "reviewing your application" e-mail...
Thanks!

I sent my app in on the 24th last week and got the 2 day review notice Monday morning. Now I’m just waiting to hear something back… Anybody have any insight on how long after the two day review notice it has been taking for them to give you a response? (1400TT, 50ME)