FAA fines Colgan
09-16-2011 | 11:12 AM
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Yeah, that's it. 
Please, spare us your superiority complex. Neither of those events are remotely related to this outlandish proposal.
Seriously, almost 2 MILLION dollars because the training extinguishers don't have a 12" hose but the ones in the plane do?!? Get real! It's a fire extinguisher, they all operate the same. Pull (pin), Point (base of fire/ source), Squeeze (handle/ trigger), Sweep (spray entire area).
This is ridiculous, plain and simple.
Please, spare us your superiority complex. Neither of those events are remotely related to this outlandish proposal.Seriously, almost 2 MILLION dollars because the training extinguishers don't have a 12" hose but the ones in the plane do?!? Get real! It's a fire extinguisher, they all operate the same. Pull (pin), Point (base of fire/ source), Squeeze (handle/ trigger), Sweep (spray entire area).
This is ridiculous, plain and simple.
Gulfstream got their fine reduced from $2mil to $300K. And they were taking air conditioners off of Ford trucks and putting them in their 1900s.
This is an absurd fine. However- this all stems from the used car salesman's- "move the rig" mentality.
09-16-2011 | 11:49 AM
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I think you guys are missing the point. The faa told colgan that the flight attendants still needed more training. Colgan refused to accept this and continued to work the flight attendants. They refused out of ignorance of how the faa works or because of a long standing callous disregard for safety when it endangers the bottom line. I understand it is slightly ridiculous but this isn't something colgan alone is getting picked on for. With a less then stellar safety record you are guaranteed to be under the microscope whether it is deserved or not. There is a good reason that most airlines have legal compliance positions. This is nothing to do with crews but everything to do with a safety culture that has been bought, merged, reviewed, changed, and is still changing.
09-16-2011 | 02:09 PM
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I think you guys are missing the point. The faa told colgan that the flight attendants still needed more training. Colgan refused to accept this and continued to work the flight attendants. They refused out of ignorance of how the faa works or because of a long standing callous disregard for safety when it endangers the bottom line. I understand it is slightly ridiculous but this isn't something colgan alone is getting picked on for. With a less then stellar safety record you are guaranteed to be under the microscope whether it is deserved or not. There is a good reason that most airlines have legal compliance positions. This is nothing to do with crews but everything to do with a safety culture that has been bought, merged, reviewed, changed, and is still changing.
I think the size of the fine is an outrage, not the fine in and of itself. Every airline has had minor problems like this, but someone in the FAA is going after Colgan. Because anywhere else, this would have been swept under te rug.
09-16-2011 | 04:03 PM
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According to former FAA Inspector Chris Monteleon, the FAA were in bed with Colgan management. He was tasked to making sure that Colgan was in compliance with Regulations etc. So when Monteleon tried to tell his superiors that Colgan was not in compliance his manager told him and I quote "Mike Colgan is a friend of this office" (I got this from Flying Cheap documentary)
(Note: Mike Colgan was the President of Colgan at the time)
But they are not the only airline that pulls these shenanigans. My guess is that Colgan (Now under different management) thought they could get away with it.
(Note: Mike Colgan was the President of Colgan at the time)
But they are not the only airline that pulls these shenanigans. My guess is that Colgan (Now under different management) thought they could get away with it.
09-17-2011 | 02:06 PM
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Tell em CC sent ya and we'll throw in a 10$ discount on a flight from CHO to LGA.
09-18-2011 | 07:02 AM
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I think you guys are missing the point. The faa told colgan that the flight attendants still needed more training. Colgan refused to accept this and continued to work the flight attendants. They refused out of ignorance of how the faa works or because of a long standing callous disregard for safety when it endangers the bottom line. I understand it is slightly ridiculous but this isn't something colgan alone is getting picked on for. With a less then stellar safety record you are guaranteed to be under the microscope whether it is deserved or not. There is a good reason that most airlines have legal compliance positions. This is nothing to do with crews but everything to do with a safety culture that has been bought, merged, reviewed, changed, and is still changing.
09-18-2011 | 10:41 AM
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once again you open your mouth and show your ignorance. Colgan wasn't notified of the violation and continued to work the FA's. Colgan found out about the violation and damn near shut down the EWR Q400 operation for almost two days. Every inbound FA and those at home were brought to EWR for training on the new fire extinguisher before they could work again. Colgan didnt simply ignore the FAA. THat being said, the jackhole in the training depeartment who made this mistake still works here. She should have been bounced in 09, but hopefully this will help us clean house in the training department.
09-19-2011 | 04:49 AM
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once again you open your mouth and show your ignorance. Colgan wasn't notified of the violation and continued to work the FA's. Colgan found out about the violation and damn near shut down the EWR Q400 operation for almost two days. Every inbound FA and those at home were brought to EWR for training on the new fire extinguisher before they could work again. Colgan didnt simply ignore the FAA. THat being said, the jackhole in the training depeartment who made this mistake still works here. She should have been bounced in 09, but hopefully this will help us clean house in the training department.
You really think this is a +million dollar fine and Colgan didn't do anything wrong? might want to check your facts
09-19-2011 | 05:11 AM
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Did you read the article or the press release from the FAA? They informed Colgan and Colgan continued to work the flight attendants instead of pulling them off line. Somebody found out and shut the operation down and forced the retraining which you are talking about. Colgan INITIALLY ignored the FAA and that is where the problem was. This is from multiple sources inside the FAA and one from Colgan.
You really think this is a +million dollar fine and Colgan didn't do anything wrong? might want to check your facts
You really think this is a +million dollar fine and Colgan didn't do anything wrong? might want to check your facts
This from a "Mighty" ExpressJet guy. Coooooome ooooooon maaaaan. You have enough problems in your own house, so stay out of ours.
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