Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

Welcome to Airline Pilot Forums - Connect and get the inside scoop on Airline Companies

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. Join our community today and start interacting with existing members. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free.


User Tag List

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-29-2011, 01:49 PM   #1  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
BlueSkiesAhead's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: On the road
Posts: 161
Default US Airways Jumpseating Question

Quick question....

I know that the priorities are US Airways Mainline, then wholly owned Express, then other Express carriers. My question is, do the non wholly owned jumpseaters get prioritized by time of check in or by DOH? I've heard conflicting info from gate agents, and would like a more definitive answer once and for all. Thanks!
BlueSkiesAhead is offline  
Old 08-29-2011, 01:54 PM   #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
pokey9554's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Cessna 150
Posts: 655
Default

From my experience, it's been time of check in.
pokey9554 is offline  
Old 08-29-2011, 02:32 PM   #3  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
BlueSkiesAhead's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: On the road
Posts: 161
Default

That's pretty much my experience as well. However, I was recently knocked out of a jumpseat at the last minute by a Republic pilot that convinced the gate agent that DOH was the appropriate way to decide rather than check-in time.
BlueSkiesAhead is offline  
Old 08-29-2011, 02:57 PM   #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Fly782's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Position: AN124 FE
Posts: 1,226
Default

What about if it is an express flight? I fly at Colgan for US Airways in BOS, would I have priority over say Jet Blue or United? Even on US mainline? I have searched ALPA but havent found much.
Fly782 is offline  
Old 08-29-2011, 04:21 PM   #5  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
BlueSkiesAhead's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: On the road
Posts: 161
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly782 View Post
What about if it is an express flight? I fly at Colgan for US Airways in BOS, would I have priority over say Jet Blue or United? Even on US mainline? I have searched ALPA but havent found much.
Yes, US Airways Express pilots have priority over other carriers not affiliated with US Airways when jumpseating on mainline flights. If it's an express flight, then I believe it is simply a time of check-in priority, unless it's on your own company's equipment which should give you priority over all others.
BlueSkiesAhead is offline  
Old 08-29-2011, 04:43 PM   #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
SUX4U's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: B756 FO
Posts: 1,285
Default

If he is Republic on a US Airways flight, he takes priority since Republic is an Express Carrier. But as far as if you are fighting it out between to offline guys, it should be based on time of check in.
SUX4U is offline  
Old 08-30-2011, 04:51 AM   #7  
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
 
BlueSkiesAhead's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: On the road
Posts: 161
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SUX4U View Post
If he is Republic on a US Airways flight, he takes priority since Republic is an Express Carrier. But as far as if you are fighting it out between to offline guys, it should be based on time of check in.
I work for a US Airways Express carrier as well, so him working for Republic makes no difference. The issue was that they went with DOH instead of check in time, which I thought to be incorrect. Maybe I was wrong though. That's what I'm trying to find out.
BlueSkiesAhead is offline  
Old 08-30-2011, 08:51 AM   #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Sniper's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 998
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueSkiesAhead View Post
The issue was that they went with DOH instead of check in time, which I thought to be incorrect.
Check-in time is the only way to go for those pilots not on their own metal. Why though? Read on, if you want to be confused.

Say US Airways mainline and Colgan do priority by seniority for jumpseating, while Mesa and RAH does priority by time of check-in (I have no idea if these are accurate, just pretend they are).

So, on a US Airways mainline flight, the following people check-in in the following order for the jumpseat:
  1. Delta pilot #1 (DOH 1990)
  2. Colgan pilot #1 (DOH 2008)
  3. Mesa pilot #1 (DOH 2005)
  4. US Airways pilot #1 (DOH 1991)
  5. RAH pilot #1 (DOH 2007)
  6. Colgan pilot #2 (DOH 2007)
  7. US Airways pilot #2 (DOH 1990)
  8. Mesa pilot #2 (DOH 2003)

So, how does it all shake out (using just jumpseat priority)?
  1. US Airways pilot #2
  2. US Airways pilot #1
  3. Colgan #1 or #2?
  4. Colgan #1 or Mesa #1?
  5. Chaos!
  6. Bickering!
  7. Delta pilot #1

US Airways goes first, it's their metal. US #1 checked in first, but US #2 is senior, so US #2 is first, then US #1, b/c US does it by DOH, and US's DOH policy and US DOH can be verified by the gate agent in their computer.

Now US Express pilots go next. Any wholly-owned? No. So, non-wholly-owned next.

- Colgan #1 is next. Does Colgan do DOH? Colgan #2 says they do, Colgan #1 isn't so sure. The gate agent has no idea, nor does the computer. Is there another Colgan pilot? Yes. Is he senior to Colgan #1? Yes. Do we swap Colgan #1 with Colgan #2, or give Colgan #2 this spot, and just bump Colgan #1 down one spot? Hmm . . .
- Next is Mesa #1. Does Mesa do DOH? Nope. So Mesa #1 stays.
- Next is RAH #1. Does RAH do DOH? Nope. RAH #1 stays.
- Now we have Colgan #2, but he took Colgan #1's spot. Should Colgan #2 be able to leap-frog two pilots who checked in before him? Should Colgan #1 go in front of Mesa #1, b/c he checked in before Mesa #1, or should he lose 3 spots simply b/c he's junior to Colgan #2?

The system breaks down @ this point. Assuming the gate agent and all the pilots actually know how each airline prioritizes jumpseaters (almost certainly this information is not available to the gate agent, and about 1/2 of all pilots don't know either), what do you do?

The answer is, the agent does it by time of check-in for all of those who aren't on their own metal within each priority group (priority groups being US Mainline, US Express Wholly-owned, US Express Contract, off-line pilots).

This is for 3 reasons:
  1. An airline can't dictate how jumpseating priority is done on flights that are not operated by them. Colgan jumpseat policy is irrelevant on US Airways.
  2. The chaos stated above. You can't have Colgan #2 jumping ahead of Mesa #1 and RAH #1, all trying to follow Colgan's policy. And you certainly can't have Colgan #1 bumping anyone down the list either.
  3. The reality of non-rev priority (see below).

Non-rev priority is done by DOH. So, if there are only 4 seats open (2 in the cabin and 2 in the flightdeck), the reality is, the US Airways guys are getting 2 of them (they have highest priority not just for jumpseating, but for non-rev'ing too). Now, the other 2 seats, who gets them? . . . the two Mesa pilots, b/c they have a higher non-rev priority than any of the other US Airways Express pilots, and non-revs have a higher priority than jumpseaters. The agent assigns the two flight deck seats to the US Airways pilots, waits till the very end of boarding, then assigns the remaining cabin seats to the non-revs by non-rev priority. The Delta guy, being an off-line pilot, cannot non-rev, and is last on the jumpseat list.

And, the last little twist to the whole story? Mesa pilot #2, with a DOH of 2003, is junior to Mesa pilot #1 (DOH 2005) on the Mesa pilot seniority list, but has a earlier DOH (and thus a higher non-rev status) b/c he was hired as a flight attendant for Mesa in 2003, and, while working as a F/A, got the hours to get hired as a pilot @ Mesa, keeping his original DOH.

So, if it's not your own metal, it's first-come, first-serve for the jumpseat (within each priority grouping, of course). If there's enough seats for all of you, it doesn't matter the priority. If the seats are limited, those with the ability to non-rev can reshuffle the order of all the cabin seats by DOH anyway.

Confusing? Yep.

As always, talk to your jumpseat committee about these issues to get the definitive answer to your specific issue, rather than relying on an internet forum answer.

Last edited by Sniper; 08-30-2011 at 09:12 AM. Reason: added recommendation to talk to jumpseat committee
Sniper is offline  
Old 08-30-2011, 12:23 PM   #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
XDriverX's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2011
Position: A320
Posts: 123
Default

HOLY SMOKES! Now thats an answer for you. Also, if a GA makes up their mind it is one way, there is no changing that GA's mind. Theyll just do what they want and when they want. If you argue with them, theyll end up calling your JS chairman and claiming harrasment. The whole jumpseat mess is just a pile of poo we all need to deal with I guess. Been doing it too long to claim that we can actually have a universal, agreed system to go by.
XDriverX is offline  
Old 08-30-2011, 10:06 PM   #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
cactusmike's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: B777/CA
Posts: 1,417
Default

One more caveat. One of the only good things we have about this abortion of a merger is the fact that mainline pilots can reserve the jumpseat. Once we do, we cannot be bumped for weight in cabin or cargo. How that plays out for offline guys is (this only goes for West jumpseats) - if I have 4 guys that want to ride, 2 mainline and 2 offlne, I will put our 2 mainline guys on the cabin jumpseats (if they are open) then the offline guys can ride on the flightdeck.

Last edited by cactusmike; 08-30-2011 at 11:19 PM.
cactusmike is offline  
 
 
 

 
Post Reply
 



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
UPS Jumpseating Question Raul Duke Cargo 7 11-17-2010 03:02 AM
Question for Jumpseating out of TPE&NRT on UA SiouxCFI Major 7 11-22-2009 07:30 PM
Republic/Chautauqua New Deal With US Airways for E-170 and E-190 Frisky Pilot Regional 15 10-01-2009 06:27 PM
Northwest a new target for US Airways? RedBaron007 Major 3 01-31-2007 10:05 PM
Piecing together the US Airways Puzzle RockBottom Major 0 03-07-2005 12:04 PM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:17 AM.