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727574drvr 11-03-2011 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by featheredprop (Post 1079700)
you should ask yourself if you are ready to complete a 121 program .If so start applying .Just be aware if you get hired at low time failing to complete a 121 program will make the next opportunity harder to come by .I have heard horror stories of low timers washing out and having a failure on their records which will follow you for 5 years because of PRIA reporting
Rumors of the majors going into a hiring spree in the next two years will mean regionals will need bodies badly.Add into the mix fewer people are getting their private pilots licenses.

VERY true, a lot of airlines can forgive a "pink slip" on a PP ride or whatever, but a FAR 121 bust, can be difficult at best to get over. Feathered is dead nuts on too, it will follow you for five damn years. Best of luck, though...:confused:

flound757 11-03-2011 10:21 PM

I felt the same way when I had about 400 hours. I just wanted to get hired. I will tell you that when I got hired, I still felt uncomfortable with 1100 hours in the sim. You need to go in there and be Instrument proficient! And not just Instrument proficient but be able to do it on one engine with flashers going off in your face trying to remember call outs and profiles. Sometimes you cant teach that stuff its just experience. I know that with 400 hours I had know bussiness in an airline cockpit. I thought I did. I would have never passed with 400tt. I am not saying that it doesnt happen, but where I went it doesnt happen very often with out washing out. I know that now and it sucks for the lower time guys, but you do not want a 121 bust on your record. Keep flying and getting experience. Just my 2 cents. Good Luck.

JustAMushroom 11-04-2011 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by 727574drvr (Post 1079709)
VERY true, a lot of airlines can forgive a "pink slip" on a PP ride or whatever, but a FAR 121 bust, can be difficult at best to get over. Feathered is dead nuts on too, it will follow you for five damn years. Best of luck, though...:confused:

FedEx has a new hire with two failed 121 line checks and two failed 121 PC's. It's not impossible to overcome.

MusicPilot 11-04-2011 03:30 AM

A 400 hour guy/gal is just as cape able as a 1000+ hour guy/gal at handling the 121 training environment. You're either a good pilot or have the potential to learn and apply or you're just not cut out for it. It's all about what type of pilot you are. There are plenty of low time pilots that fly 10x better than guys with 5k+. I say if you know you can handle fast paced, tons of systems info, and simulator environments then apply! What's the worst they could say, no or not respond?

Usually the pilots you find on here that discourage low timers from applying more than likely had problems themselves.

usmc-sgt 11-04-2011 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 1079740)
A 400 hour guy/gal is just as cape able as a 1000+ hour guy/gal at handling the 121 training environment. You're either a good pilot or have the potential to learn and apply or you're just not cut out for it. It's all about what type of pilot you are. There are plenty of low time pilots that fly 10x better than guys with 5k+. I say if you know you can handle fast paced, tons of systems info, and simulator environments then apply! What's the worst they could say, no or not respond?

Usually the pilots you find on here that discourage low timers from applying more than likely had problems themselves.

This type of response pops up fairly often on this site.

9 times out of 10 the people who post that a 400 hour pilot has an exactly equal chance of getting through training as a 1000+ hour pilot..is a 400 hour pilot.

The other variant of this are the users who post that being a CFI does not build valuable skills since you are not always "hands on"...folks who are not CFIs post those ones.

KevinJH87 11-04-2011 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by featheredprop (Post 1079703)
I was shocked to hear ASA may be furloughing I was called to interview last month but turned it down outright .

Well if that's the only reason you turned it down you made a serious mistake because they're doing the hiring for ExpressJet. XJT is running at least 2 classes a month for the foreseeable future.

jdalbrec 11-04-2011 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by featheredprop (Post 1079703)
I was shocked to hear ASA may be furloughing I was called to interview last month but turned it down outright .


Originally Posted by KevinJH87 (Post 1079757)
Well if that's the only reason you turned it down you made a serious mistake because they're doing the hiring for ExpressJet. XJT is running at least 2 classes a month for the foreseeable future.

Why would you turn down an interview anyways? Even if you aren't planning on working there, the interview could be a valuable experience; and like KevinJH87 said, express is going to be hiring a lot of guys.

MusicPilot 11-04-2011 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 1079742)
This type of response pops up fairly often on this site.

9 times out of 10 the people who post that a 400 hour pilot has an exactly equal chance of getting through training as a 1000+ hour pilot..is a 400 hour pilot.

The other variant of this are the users who post that being a CFI does not build valuable skills since you are not always "hands on"...folks who are not CFIs post those ones.

Well, considering I'm not a 400 hour pilot, been through plenty of 121 training, and flown with low and high time pilots, I can easily say yes that a 400 hour guy has the same chance as a 1000+ hour guy. 1000 hours in a 172 or even a twin piston doesn't mean you can handle a turbine or turboprop aircraft. Two totally different worlds. I've seen <500 hour guys fail but I've also seen >2000 hour guys fail. It's really all about what type of pilot you are, how you handle change and being able to use CRM and the guy that's sitting next to you.

BelowMins 11-04-2011 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by 727574drvr (Post 1079694)
Good Luck Chief, but I think "the data is inaccurate". Last I heard ASA had pilots on furlough...:confused:

You heard wrong. Champ.

coryk 11-04-2011 08:03 AM

GoJet was and has hired people with low time. I just meet a GoJet guy who was hired with 180 TT back in 2008. He started class with 200 TT. He has done fine since then. Another friend is in class right now at PSA and was hired with 300 TT. I think back in 07'-08' someone could have gone to a few regionals with 300-400 TT, but now it seems it's just a bit higher (Eagle @ 500 for example) unless you know someone on the inside. Although, this summer one may see a drop in hiring minimums.

Also, a good buddy who is at Southwest now was hired at ASA about 8 years ago with 250.2 and 13 multi into the Brasilia and was never a CFI. I think it's key to have willingness to learn and overcome obstacles plus a good attitude.


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