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MusicPilot 11-07-2011 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1081168)
Doesn't USAir have some of its 900's without first class stocked with 80-plus seats? I know I've jumpseated on them before and that seemed to be the case.


Airways 86 seat 900's were from AWA (grandfathered in) and they are owned by Mesa, which I now believe all of them have been converted down with first class.

- Actually, they were suppose to be already configured but apparently only 1 has been converted.

I think the union won a grievance that made Airways change it, even though Airways wanted First Class seats

Swedish Blender 11-07-2011 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1081154)
Once Eagle is divested (if it is), then the new company (a single corporation/company) would own 2 certificates, would it not ? Yes

Does current AA scope allow a company that flies larger aircraft for another carrier or itself to ALSO feed AA ?Yes

If the new divested Eagle were to use one of its certificates to replace AA, wouldn't it need to seperate itself again from the company that FEEDS AA, resulting in a second divestiture ?No

Look at Republic or Transtates (previously). Both companies have multiple certificates and operate larger A/C than allowed by AA scope. AA feed on one certificate and the larger A/C on separate certificates.

johnso29 11-07-2011 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1081162)
AA has made it clear, any Jet over 50 seats, except for 50, 70 seat RJs, anything more is mainlines. So over 70 seats is mainline to AA, and the Regionals can only have 50 jets over 50 seats.

At CAL it is any jet over 50 seats.

At UAL it is any jet over 70 seats.

At USAIR it is any jet over 70 seats.

At Delta (the loose girl) it is any jet over 90 seats :mad:, thanks guys, I wish we all had navy pensions.


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1081168)
Ya owned/operated by USAIR

You really need to get your facts straight before you go popping off about things you don't understand. Delta pilot scope does NOT allow aircraft configured to 90 seats to be scoped out. A limited amount of 76 seaters are allowed, with multiple layers of furlough protection built in. From a flow back to Compass to seats being removed from 76 seaters if furloughs reach a certain DOH.

Secondly, the UsAir aircraft ARE NOT owned/operated by UsAir. Mesa has many of the CRJ900's configued to 86 seats and RAH owns many of the E170/E175's configured to 86 seats. These airlplanes are NOT limited to 70 seats and are NOT operated by UsAir.



Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1081180)
Its a CRJ 900, just because it has some first class seats and only holds 76, its still the same airplane.

Oh really? So by your logic you are wrong again. The CRJ 700 is certified to 78 seats. Just because it's not at the most uncomfortable pitch with 70 seats, it's still the same airplane. By your logic AA pilots gave up 78 seat scope.

Wingtips 11-07-2011 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1081206)
You really need to get your facts straight before you go popping off about things you don't understand. Delta pilot scope does NOT allow aircraft configured to 90 seats to be scoped out. A limited amount of 76 seaters are allowed, with multiple layers of furlough protection built in. From a flow back to Compass to seats being removed from 76 seaters if furloughs reach a certain DOH.

Secondly, the UsAir aircraft ARE NOT owned/operated by UsAir. Mesa has many of the CRJ900's configued to 86 seats and RAH owns many of the E170/E175's configured to 86 seats. These airlplanes are NOT limited to 70 seats and are NOT operated by UsAir.




Oh really? So by your logic you are wrong again. The CRJ 700 is certified to 78 seats. Just because it's not at the most uncomfortable pitch with 70 seats, it's still the same airplane. By your logic AA pilots gave up 78 seat scope.

I guess I missed a few things. But the things I see are simple, I do not see AA/UAL/CAL express/connection/eagle CRJ/EMJ 900's taxing around ANYWHERE. I do see quite a few DAL CRJ 900s with the word Connection. I see USAIR EMJ90s that do not end in Express. Those are simple facts, you want to talk about how the cabin is configured thats fine, but its a simple fact about the size of the plane itself, not leg room.

johnso29 11-07-2011 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1081213)
I guess I missed a few things. But the things I see are simple, I do not see AA/UAL/CAL express/connection/eagle CRJ/EMJ 900's taxing around ANYWHERE. I do see quite a few DAL CRJ 900s with the word Connection. I see USAIR EMJ90s that do not end in Express. Those are simple facts, you want to talk about how the cabin is configured thats fine, but its a simple fact about the size of the plane itself, not leg room.

UsAir has plenty of CRJ900's configured to E175's configured to 86 seats rolling around. Been to PHL of CLT lately? UsAir has only 15 EMB190's, and they aren't getting any more. UAL has all those E175's and CRJ700's rolling around. UAL has NO limit. What's worse? Unlimited CRJ700's/EMB175's, or limited CRJ700/900, EMB170/175's? UAL parked 94 737-200's. Take a guess at what replaced that flying. Unlimited 70 seaters. Ask CAL guys about the unlimited Q400's that are replacing all their 737 flying.

Once again, do some research. Is a limited amount of CRJ900's with a max seat config of 70/76 worse then unlimited 70 seat jets and turboprops?

Oskeewowow 11-07-2011 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1081225)
UAL has all those E175's and CRJ700's rolling around. UAL has NO limit. What's worse? Unlimited CRJ700's/EMB175's, or limited CRJ700/900, EMB170/175's? UAL parked 94 737-200's. Take a guess at what replaced that flying. Unlimited 70 seaters. Ask CAL guys about the unlimited Q400's that are replacing all their 737 flying.

Once again, do some research. Is a limited amount of CRJ900's with a max seat config of 76 worse then unlimited 70 seat jets?

There are no E175s operating as United Express.

johnso29 11-07-2011 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Oskeewowow (Post 1081229)
There are no E175s operating as United Express.

Thank you for the correction. Are the 86 seat configured E Jets on the UsAir side E175's?

Wingtips 11-07-2011 08:07 AM

There are no planes at UAL EX with 86 seats either. Nothing over 70 I believe.

Systemized 11-07-2011 08:09 AM

UAL has E-170s configured to 70 seats and CRJ-700s configured to 66 seats. In five years they will probably have E-190s and a new CBA.

MusicPilot 11-07-2011 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1081230)
Thank you for the correction. Are the 86 seat configured E Jets on the UsAir side E175's?

Yes they are. I'm not sure though if they have been reconfigured with first class seats. I do know the east pilots filed a big grievance over the 86 seats and most of Mesa's (if not all) 900's have been converted back down with first class seats.


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