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Jetalc 11-28-2011 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Ronaldo (Post 1092290)
Yes, I do think. Maybe, you've figured out that I won't support any level of RAH involvement in F9, unless we divest 100%. Any level of ownership >0%, is too much not to have an integrated seniority list.

For the next contract I'll push for scope tied to revenue, and .00000001% ownership, any management sharing, or liability will qualify for an integrated seniority list.

And we all know that RAHers will have a new CBA about 5 years after BBs new brat starts grad school.

Good luck with that - I would think there would be more important issues, like maybe not agreeing to poverty wages? 0.00000001%?? Still sticking by your whipsaw argument while giving away the rest of your quality of life. And "scope?" Please...I think your priorities are all screwed up.

ToiletDuck 11-28-2011 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Jetalc (Post 1092346)
Good luck with that - I would think there would be more important issues, like maybe not agreeing to poverty wages? 0.00000001%?? Still sticking by your whipsaw argument while giving away the rest of your quality of life. And "scope?" Please...I think your priorities are all screwed up.

Scope is directly related to pay protection/growth.

Ronaldo 11-28-2011 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by Jetalc (Post 1092346)
Good luck with that - I would think there would be more important issues, like maybe not agreeing to poverty wages? 0.00000001%?? Still sticking by your whipsaw argument while giving away the rest of your quality of life. And "scope?" Please...I think your priorities are all screwed up.

I know people come on here and tout scope and it agitates some of you F9ers (and others) but I firmly believe scope is a necessity. If BB spins off 51% of F9 and continues to "run it", what keeps him from then signing a deal under the F9 side of the business, thereby replacing FFD flying that's currently on the legacy RAH side? These antics to partially sell F9 have put legacy RAH jobs at risk of whipsaw again (IF RAH maintains control/large stakeholder position) in F9. So yes, we need to tighten up scope and the remainder of the contract.

I still think FAPA dropped the ball by allowing Lynx to be created outside the FAPA list, but hey, you didn't ask me, so I won't ask you how to protect scope.

It's fairly simple really, RAH pilots doing flying that benefits RAH, and f'ing pay me.

ridered 11-29-2011 07:21 AM

How many A/C does Republic holdings operate for AMR?

Wiscopilot 11-29-2011 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by ridered (Post 1093108)
How many A/C does Republic holdings operate for AMR?

13 maybe 14 including a spare.

zoooropa 11-29-2011 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by ridered (Post 1093108)
How many A/C does Republic holdings operate for AMR?

14 140's but they were already scheduled for cancellation in 2012.

Much more important to watch is how eagle is treated during the AMR restructuring. AMR is carrying over $2 billion dollars of Eagle RJ lease debt.

Plan A was to protect shareholders and spin Eagle off.

Plan B, the Ch. 11 filing, has destroyed shareholder equity. Now all they want to do is shed 50 seat RJ debt and they are no longer responsible to the shareholders.

Crystal ball....

Chautauqua is cleaved off of RAH.

Republic certificate is terminated as 190's go away (to F9 or someone else)

Shuttle cert and aircraft go to AMR.

RAH divests FFD instead of brand and IPO's Frontier.

FAULTPUSH 11-29-2011 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by zoooropa (Post 1093147)
Crystal ball....

Chautauqua is cleaved off of RAH.

Republic certificate is terminated as 190's go away (to F9 or someone else)

Shuttle cert and aircraft go to AMR.

RAH divests FFD instead of brand and IPO's Frontier.

That would be a total mess because of the contractual issues. Unless, of course, they were released to self help, but the RAH pilots would never let that happen.

aviatormjc 11-29-2011 08:33 AM



Crystal ball....

Chautauqua is cleaved off of RAH.

Republic certificate is terminated as 190's go away (to F9 or someone else)

Shuttle cert and aircraft go to AMR.

RAH divests FFD instead of brand and IPO's Frontier.
The Republic certificate will not be terminated, they fly for US Airways.
The Shuttle certificate has nothing to do with AMR.
Frontier is the likely candidate to be divested, not RAH.
Chautauqua is a worthless certificate with the exception of Delta/US Airways contracts. Likely the pilots will be displaced to Republic/Shuttle, then cleave off Chautauqua. One seniority list dictates where RAHs pilots go, not the sale of a certificate.

F9 A319 11-29-2011 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1093208)
That would be a total mess because of the contractual issues. Unless, of course, they were released to self help, but the RAH pilots would never let that happen.

I would submit that no matter WHAT happens it's going to be a total mess.

FAULTPUSH 11-29-2011 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by aviatormjc (Post 1093211)
Frontier is the likely candidate to be divested, not RAH.

*Fingers crossed* :D


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